Terry McAuiliff VA Gov Race

[bystander]

One example: The Tulsa Massacre of 1921 was scrubbed from history until recently. 35 city blocks razed to the ground. Potentially as many as 300 killed. Maybe you attended a progressive school and learned about it but I can say that in Nebraska and Washington State that incident was never mentioned. Based on the recent publicity of this incident it seems most had never heard of it.

My feeling all along was there was much more than we were taught. I figured the perpetrators of the horrors would try to cover it up. I'd seen pictures of lynchings long ago. I knew about Jim Crow and slavery. All along.

We can bludgeon our youth with a class about the horrors placed on black Americans every day. But I think we know where they want it to go; active cultivation of white guilt and an admission that today's children are racists. Then we can cultivate reparations. It's so much more than a history class and anyone who denies it is a liar.

Rachel Maddow is a liar.

 

[Seattle Husker]

My feeling all along was there was much more than we were taught. I figured the perpetrators of the horrors would try to cover it up. I'd seen pictures of lynchings long ago. I knew about Jim Crow and slavery. All along.

We can bludgeon our youth with a class about the horrors placed on black Americans every day. But I think we know where they want it to go; active cultivation of white guilt and an admission that today's children are racists. Then we can cultivate reparations. It's so much more than a history class and anyone who denies it is a liar.

Rachel Maddow is a liar.

I don't know the answer but hiding the facts from our youth is not a solution either. We've long ago embraced and taught our history with Native Americans. Events like Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee Massacre and Battle of the Little Bighorn are now interwoven in our history. Youth now have full context of our battle, subjugation and newly economically emerging Native American tribes. Shouldn't African American's be given the same treatment?

I strongly believe you teach the youth the facts and let them use their own judgement. Whitewashing incidents like the example above prevents any race reconciliation discussions from moving forward.

 

[bystander]

I don't know the answer but hiding the facts from our youth is not a solution either. We've long ago embraced and taught our history with Native Americans. Events like Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee Massacre and Battle of the Little Bighorn are now interwoven in our history. Youth now have full context of our battle, subjugation and newly economically emerging Native American tribes. Shouldn't African American's be given the same treatment?

I strongly believe you teach the youth the facts and let them use their own judgement. Whitewashing incidents like the example above prevents any race reconciliation discussions from moving forward.

I don't begrudge teaching history. It's a matter of how much I guess. I didn't know of the Tulsa Massacre myself until earlier this year. I'm a member (partner) in a black employee research group (the only white person on the board; I sent in some thoughts and a video of me playing "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye on the piano and they invited me) and we read a book about it and discussed it in smaller groups. At work, if you can believe that. It was calm and nobody lost their cool or said anything inflammatory. It was clearly a shocking event and infuriating in how the locals covered it up.

I UNDERSTAND.

But it's interesting what you say about Native Americans. My wife, a full blooded Latina always asks why blacks get so much attention and NATIVE AMERICANS DO NOT? Why is that her perspective? I'm not sure other than to say that's how she receives the messages that are out there.

 

[Hideo Gump Jr.]

I don't begrudge teaching history…..

Speaking as a guy who got paid to do that very thing, there are tons of things that merit classroom time that time didn’t allow us to get to. I could have spent a month on 1877 alone considering the general election results, Molly McGuires, the Salt War (heard of that one?), etc. But what if that bumps Emmett Till?

 

[Seattle Husker]

But it's interesting what you say about Native Americans. My wife, a full blooded Latina always asks why blacks get so much attention and NATIVE AMERICANS DO NOT? Why is that her perspective? I'm not sure other than to say that's how she receives the messages that are out there.

Do they? I'd bet that there is some level of geographical imprint on curriculums for Primary/Secondary schools. In Nebraska (and Wyoming) we spent an immense amount of time in history studying NA. We took field trips to discuss the Oregon/Mormon trails. Slavery/Civil Rights was a chapter but we had 1 African American family in our town. Had I grown up in the deep South AA history may have been more prevalent I'd imagine.

It is shocking to imagine an incident as grave as Tulsa can be covered up so completely. That fact in and of itself is telling about where we are NOW for race relations.

My only point is that AA history should be taught equivalent to NA history. Present the facts then let the consumer make their own judgements. Keep in mind, we learned about Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, chiefs that fought and did their own amount of killing. The facts aren't one-sided but rather are simply facts.

Yes, AA is more of an issue now but you can make the case that they haven't received their due in the past. Yes we learned about MLK, Selma, lynchings in Jim Crow and further back in slave times. Still, if there is more to be learned shouldn't we get that opportunity? Harriet Tubman was mentioned during history classes. Frederick Douglas too. Robert Smalls? Alexander Augusta? Abraham Galloway? All could be considered Civil War heroes.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Speaking as a guy who got paid to do that very thing, there are tons of things that merit classroom time that time didn’t allow us to get to. I could have spent a month on 1877 alone considering the general election results, Molly McGuires, the Salt War (heard of that one?), etc. But what if that bumps Emmett Till?

My wife was previously a Middle school social studies teacher and she shared with me the volume of history to teach. It's a conundrum, especially when history is being squeezed out by focus on science, math and writing curricula.

 

[Hideo Gump Jr.]

My wife was previously a Middle school social studies teacher and she shared with me the volume of history to teach. It's a conundrum, especially when history is being squeezed out by focus on science, math and writing curricula.

Not to mention standardized testing schedules.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Not to mention standardized testing schedules.

Yep. My wife is 50% Filipino and she felt there was bias in the history curriculum, at least what events were chosen to focus on. She worked with her district to rewrite the 6th grade Social Studies curriculum to be more inclusive.

 

[n64ra]

She's not wrong that Youngkin had help from FoxNews, just as McAuliffe very likely had help from MSNBC. As media entities have become more partisan you can predict how they'll cover the horse races.

How did you decide Youngkin had help from Fox News but McAuliffe very likely had help from MSNBC? You know, instead of McAuliffe straight up had help from MSNBC?

 

[Seattle Husker]

How did you decide Youngkin had help from Fox News but McAuliffe very likely had help from MSNBC? You know, instead of McAuliffe straight up had help from MSNBC?

Because I'm a sporadic consumer of foxnews.com but I haven't watched or visited MSNBC in a decade.

I also watch Foxnews Sunday with Chris Wallace each week along with a few other Sunday morning political shows.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

How did you decide Youngkin had help from Fox News but McAuliffe very likely had help from MSNBC? You know, instead of McAuliffe straight up had help from MSNBC?

These MSNBC and CNN talking heads acting like they haven't been lobbying hardcore for Democrats for the last however many years?

 

[Duck Dodgers]

The media has always been leftist - I remember St. Peter Jennings pissing his pants in anger when the voters tossed the Democrat party out of power in the House for the first time since the 50's, saying the public had a "temper tantrum".

They're just more open about their hatred now.

In real VA news, the Republicans regained control of the State House, winning 7 new seats and going from 45 to 52 seats in the 100 seat legislature. The Democrats won control in 2019 so only held onto it for 2 measly years.

VA limits their Gov to one 4 year term, so Younkin will be out of office in 25 - leaving him primed, if he has a good term, to jump into a Senate race from there. The LT GOV would make a strong choice for a GOP nominate for governor in 25, but lots can happen between now and then.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Also, the VA blowout has a huge impact for 22 in terms of who runs, and who doesn't.

No elected official likes to lose their way out of office - much better to retire and go out on a winning note, instead of the pain of being defeated at the polls.

And the thinking that it'll be a bad year for one party / good year for another keeps some on the sidelines, waiting for a better year (a loss or two under your belt and the stink of failure will doom your career), while those on the good year side can't wait to jump in and get while the goings good.

So I expect 22 to be a year where lots of sitting Democrats retire to avoid either being defeated, or having to work hard for the first time in years in an election. And lots of good candidates sitting this one out, waiting for a better year.

While on the Republican side - this will be the year people want to run, and are willing to give up safe seats at the state level to run for Federal office. All of which will increase the bloodbath a year from now.

Now the Democrats can still force Depends out whenever they want to - the Biden family is so crooked the FBI can be ordered to open a real investigation of them whenever it's needed to convince Slow Joe it's time to go. But I think they just bake a 22 blowout into their cake, and then bounce Depends out of office in 23, letting VP BJ to bask in the media glory of the HISTORIC FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT!!!!

While the Democrat can certainly advance their rule when they control House / Senate / White House, they suffer no real back tracking when they don't control all three, or for that matter any of the three.

They still will have total control of the permanent government, and the Federal agencies are where the real power is, and are safely 95% Democrat staffed. A Republican congress will huff and puff and then fully fund every single Democrat program and NGO that was being funded before - they'll probably pass not only funding for Planned (Un)Parenthood, but give them a COLA raise to keep up with Biden-flation.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

These MSNBC and CNN talking heads acting like they haven't been lobbying hardcore for Democrats for the last however many DECADES?

FIFY

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

They're just more open about their hatred now.

And that is why America owes a massive debt of gratitude to Rush Limbaugh. He ripped the mask of neutrality off the mainstream media, so we can all see who they really are.

 

[AC]

I stand corrected on my position of not voting until they fix vote integrity. Apparently overwhelming the polls does it. However, would this actually work in a national election? Ie. 2024?

 

[bystander]

The media has always been leftist - I remember St. Peter Jennings pissing his pants in anger when the voters tossed the Democrat party out of power in the House for the first time since the 50's, saying the public had a "temper tantrum".

I absolutely remember Jennings and others on the air with him OPENLY SULKING about the election results. It was incredible. The bias of a network anchor was incredible.

 

[bystander]

Trump was the eclipse that hid the extremism and hatred of Liberals. Without him, we will see what needs to be done: A complete repudiation to AOC, the CREW, BETO and all the sick, hateful charlatans that were not fully vetted by the American public. Now they are.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I strongly believe you teach the youth the facts and let them use their own judgement. Whitewashing incidents like the example above prevents any race reconciliation discussions from moving forward.

Most people who are upset about CRT or whatever we want to call the current controversy in school curriculum don't disagree with this. How many people have actually said we shouldn't teach slavery or even the Tulsa Race Riot? I'm not aware of any. I also don't think you actually mean that we should just teach the facts and let the kids decide. That would mean teaching that slavery happened but passing no judgment on whether it was right or wrong. I assume that's not what you mean. We're going to make moral judgments about history.

The controversy is about how those and other issues are taught and how they're framed. Are we placing moral collective culpability or blamelessness on people (in the past but especially in the present) based on race or based on actual acts or omissions by individuals? Are we framing slavery and/or race as a big issue (which most people are ok with) or as the defining issue of the nation and its founding (which most people aren't ok with)? When parents see school officials and teacher representatives cozying up people who espouse what they oppose (Nikole Hannah-Jones, Ibram Kendi, Robin D'Angelo, BLM people, etc. and celebrating their beliefs), it doesn't foster confidence that the school system is sympathetic to their concerns.

If one takes the radical approach on this sort of thing, it doesn't promote racial reconciliation. If anything, it does the reverse, because it upends the underlying assumptions (specifically that we treat people according to their individual acts rather than something arbitrary like race) that led most white people to reject white supremacy in the first place.

 

[bystander]

(specifically that we treat people according to their individual acts rather than something arbitrary like race

Content of character or something enlightened (progressive?) like that?

Is this the teaching of history?

Critical race theory - Wikipedia

 

[nashhorn]

The controversy is about how those and other issues are taught and how they're framed.

Bingo!!

 

[Seattle Husker]

Are we framing slavery and/or race as a big issue (which most people are ok with) or as the defining issue of the nation and its founding (which most people aren't ok with)?

How is it being framed in secondary schools? What examples do we have? "Race as a big issue vs. defining issue of the nation" is pretty squishy to me. Our nations greatest war was fought over slavery (despite what Daughters of the Confederacy claim). Race was clearly a bedrock issue through at least our first 200 years of existence.

 

[bystander]

How is it being framed in secondary schools? What examples do we have? "Race as a big issue vs. defining issue of the nation" is pretty squishy to me. Our nations greatest war was fought over slavery (despite what Daughters of the Confederacy claim). Race was clearly a bedrock issue through at least our first 200 years of existence.

My children know all of that (and they don't know who the DoC are). Are we to add more examples of horrors? Teach that all black people are emotionally traumatized and need help to cope and perform on the job? That white kids are racists? That white kids should admit to being racist and sign off on more taxes to pay when they grow up to pay black people until their stipulated trauma is gone?

What do you want?

 

[n64ra]

What do you want?

All you suggested plus remove everything from your history or terminology that one or more persons complains about. See statues, holidays, and even the term 'master bedroom' The Biggest Bedroom Is No Longer a ‘Master’ (Published 2020)

 

[Seattle Husker]

My children know all of that (and they don't know who the DoC are). Are we to add more examples of horrors? Teach that all black people are emotionally traumatized and need help to cope and perform on the job? That white kids are racists? That white kids should admit to being racist and sign off on more taxes to pay when they grow up to pay black people until their stipulated trauma is gone?

What do you want?

I just asked for examples of CRT-ish ideas being leveraged in secondary curriculum to help shape the conversation. Not sure why we needed to jump to hyperbole.

 

[lkainer]

The liberal talk shows are hilarious this morning. How to fix this? Pass Build Back Better then sell it to the public. Idiots.

Never underestimate Joe's ability to f things up.

 

[bystander]

I just asked for examples of CRT-ish ideas being leveraged in secondary curriculum to help shape the conversation. Not sure why we needed to jump to hyperbole.

I don't think it's hyperbole. In a world where accusations of micro-aggressions exist as much as they do, then the level of trauma is patently obvious; unless it's all about political leverage.

 

[bystander]

Never underestimate Joe's ability to f things up.

Double down and become more vile and stubborn is THE binder for Liberals.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

I just asked for examples of CRT-ish ideas being leveraged in secondary curriculum to help shape the conversation. Not sure why we needed to jump to hyperbole.

I would..., but you'd cry "anecdotal", so I'll expand on the narrow focus you've decided to target (secondary curriculum)

CRT TOP 10 WORST EXAMPLES

Can I add another? Raytheon in McKinney has tried the white shame nonsense but I was told it was short lived due to the rejection by it's employees. How do I know this? I worked for TI/ Raytheon for over 20 yrs, still in contact with dozens of fmr co workers

 

[Monahorns]

I know from a friend that CRT is taught to organizations that work with schools in poorer areas. The reps are inculcated with the philosophy and then they go "counsel" students.

One story I was told by an eyewitness, was that one white woman was made to feel so guilty of racism that she was left to cry in a corner of a room until the training ended. Others tried to go comfort the crying woman but the instructor told the class that this would only support her racism. She told the class something like comforting upset white women was a slave/plantation practice and would only perpetuate white supremacy in the schools.

This sh-t is real folks and anyone doubting that is either willfully ignorant or unethically covering up evil.