Terrorist Attack in Nice on Bastille Day - Truck attack kills 73

[theiioftx]

+1 There is no way to predict or stop this. Condolences and sympathies go out to the Frenchmen.

I hope whoever is next President has a different attitude. I get what you are saying, but there is a way to stop it. The question is whether Trump follows through with his promise to use whatever means necessary. HRC (the likely POTUS) has already committed to the Obama doctrine on fighting radical Islam.

 

[I35]

Do I think it's possible to vet a subset of Muslim refugees and play a part in the humanitarian crisis unfolding in the Middle East by bringing them here? Yes. I've stated multiple times previously I'd focus immigration on the women, children and elderly. The humanitarian crisis of million(s) sitting in refugee camps exacerbates the radicalism challenge.

I will never understand this logic. The Boston marathon bomber's dad was vetted many years ago. The problem is he had kids that ended up Islam extremists and blew up Americans years later. Why in the hell SH would you play with our kids and grand kids life? When did the refugees become more important than our kids and grand kids safety? This ******** is going to cost American lives. If you believe it won't, then so be it. But why chance it at all? Our priority should be the safety for the present and future. The ignorance of this is beyond belief. Like I've always said "Islam is a peaceful religion......until it's not."

 

[Horn6721]

I35 Husker wants to bring women in like the vetted murderer in Calif or kids like the Islamic cubs videod beheading and shooting adults.
No answer yet on whether he/she would allow families of these "vetted: women children and elderly in as well.

 

[Hollandtx]

The tortures...I'm literally sick to my stomach. I remember when I read the initial reports there was some extremely vague wording regarding the way the hostages were killed. If I remember correctly, it was something like "killed with sharp objects" which is a strange way to put it.
I can't imagine the horror in that place. I can't imagine a human being doing that to another, but these radicals aren't really "human" in my book. I can't allow myself to think of those watching and awaiting their fate. It literally brings tears to my eyes.

Most of the US has been sheltered from the atrocities that have taken place in other regions to peaceful Muslims, Christians, and anyone the radicals consider enemies. Crucifixions, burning people alive, and lots of other unthinkable things that make beheadings look like the better option.
The only reason I know the true details of what happened on New Years Eve in Germany is because of the posts of Mr. Deez, and I actually read the paper and watch the news. These crimes have been so minimalized, it would almost be funny if it weren't so horrific. I would be willing to bet that maybe 1 person out of 100 could tell you just how bad things were on New Years Eve, and that one person would not be the same one crying about women and transgender rights, or Pro-Choice...it really is ironic.

I think it is time for some of these facts to be spread in America, as much as I hate saying that. It seems that people really need to understand the mindset of these radical Muslims. People need to hear, and sometimes see what is happening in order to fully comprehend the danger.
My fear at the time of this event was that taking hostages and torturing them would become a new goal of the jihad. It ramps up the terror factor, and as someone posted on a sadly humorous meme earlier today, perhaps the terrorists feel like they need to escalate in order to be taken more seriously by some governments.
My heart is heavy though, for those peaceful people that are trapped living in that hellish region and are truly seeking refuge and a safe place for their children. My heart breaks especially for the Christian people in those places, who are being killed in horrible ways. Perhaps we could start by allowing them in to our country? I don't know how we could make this happen, and it isn't politically correct, but I'm willing to take a chance on someone who goes to a Christian church and would probably assimilate over a wild card. If the bad guys can figure out who the "good" ones are, I bet we could make a good effort to do the same.
I just don't know what the answer is...all I know is that I am blessed, lucky, and so very thankful that I was born in the USA.

 

[Joe Fan]

That's some of the most disturbing stuff I've ever read in my life.

Apparently same sort of stuff happened to the Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics.
But was hidden from the public

 

[texas_ex2000]

Apparently same sort of stuff happened to the Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics.
But was hidden from the public

I read about that too...I think in the New York Times last year.

And those terrorists, Black September, on the radicalization scale were like a pool party on a nice warm Spring day compared to Daesh's July Corporate Picnic in Death Valley.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I35 Husker wants to bring women in like the vetted murderer in Calif or kids like the Islamic cubs videod beheading and shooting adults.
No answer yet on whether he/she would allow families of these "vetted: women children and elderly in as well.

If you go back and look at what he actually said, he had a pretty respectable plan. I'm sure it wouldn't have been to you all's liking, but it was far better than the Administration's and probably closer to what you want than what they want.

 

[Horn6721]

Mr D.
Husker thinks we should vet a "subset of muslims,women children and elderly.
Why would anyone think the information on that subset be anymore reliable?
Presumably the thinking is this subset is not likely to harm us.
Well except for the murdering witch in San Bernadino and all the ISIS black widows trained to blow themselves and others up. Kids? From the 30 y o pretending to be teenagers to the ISIS cubs,cute little kids dressed as jihadists beheading or shooting people,how can you separate the "moderate " ones?
Elderly? So they can not kill?
We have no way of knowing who these people are. Plus there is the added fact that this subset would be allowed to bring in relatives.Not to mention the enormous costs of all the benefits this subset would be receiving,from taxpayers for years,flooding the entitlement roles.
As was pointed out whose safety comes first?
Many of us have been saying all slong (IIRC even you) nations should create a fund and give these people decent living conditions in their homelands.

 

[Hollandtx]

The best option is the creation of a fund that would lead to decent/good living conditions in their own homelands. Personally, I don't know enough about the geography, or how the place could be kept decent to believe this would ever work. It sure sounds good though. Once I try and think about the logistics, though it breaks down, in my opinion.
I'm sure there are many people that would like to stay in current surroundings, close to family and places that are familiar. I just don't know how the radicals could be kept from infiltrating these areas, and whose military would be responsible for patrolling the borders. If the USA was, how much would that cost, and who would want to do that job? It seems like those borders would be open season for repeated attacks.

I'm against allowing the numbers of people that BO or HC suggest to just amble on over to the USA. That's crazy. It has been established that we really don't have a decent method to vet them. However, I think the percentage of danger is reduced if we begin to limit the numbers to women, elderly and children. I think as human beings we need to use some type of risk: ratio method of allowing much smaller, and better vetted numbers of immigrants to come to the US.
I also will re-state my earlier comment that if ISIS and other such groups can identify Christians, and Muslims that don't buy in to their ideology, (and they are being killed and worse daily) we should be able to gather the same intel and start with those people. Maybe instead of waiting for them to come to us, we go to them and grant them some kind of "golden ticket" to the US. It is in no way a perfect answer; I don't think there are any, but if you or I had the misfortune to be born over there, and were a good person, I believe we would do anything we could to ensure a better life for our children and families.

Anyone of almost any age has the capacity to kill. I worry that the ideology has spread enough that there are plenty of second generation terrorists already here, or, the lone wolf types that are surfing the net, looking for a place to fit in and finding it in a terrorist group. If ISIS had the internet presence it has now, would a Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris-type have joined up to feel part of something that in his mind was big and "noble", and meant something? I don't know the answer to that, but I could see it happening.