TCU-Georgia Title Game Thread

Creek said:
Not true—we were 7-3. The year before was 8-5. The year before was that 10-4…25-12. 25-12 wasn’t good enough.

Where are we now? 13-12
In a order for us to replicate. 25-12-we need to go 12-0 next year.
I know things were said that disgruntled people and the song wasn’t sung a few times, but in
reality we are more a train wreck now if
the metric is winning.
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The only way we can know for sure is to see that parallel universe where Herman stays around and we compare records. It’s possible the wheels could have fallen off worse if he had stayed. It’s clear our talent level wasn’t there at the end and Sark seems to be rebuilding the roster. On-field decision making is an open question but I’m definitely in the “more downside to have yet another coaching-carousel change vs maintaining the status quo by giving Sark another year” camp.
 
Creek said:
Not true—we were 7-3. The year before was 8-5. The year before was that 10-4…25-12. 25-12 wasn’t good enough.

Where are we now? 13-12
In a order for us to replicate. 25-12-we need to go 12-0 next year.
I know things were said that disgruntled people and the song wasn’t sung a few times, but in
reality we are more a train wreck now if
the metric is winning.
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If you don’t think it was a train wreck, not sure what qualifies. Eagles et al had the program in complete disarray and Herman not only could not manage it, he made it worse. He wasn’t fired due to his record - it was because he was setting the locker room on fire. Remember the first thing Sark did? He put the Eyes controversy to bed and started rebuilding the brand.
 
Creek said:
Not true—we were 7-3. The year before was 8-5. The year before was that 10-4…25-12. 25-12 wasn’t good enough.

Where are we now? 13-12
In a order for us to replicate. 25-12-we need to go 12-0 next year.
I know things were said that disgruntled people and the song wasn’t sung a few times, but in
reality we are more a train wreck now if
the metric is winning.
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Texas recruiting was going in the toilet under Herman. In Sark’s first 2 full classes (not counting the interim one), he has pulled in consensus top 5 classes (some say top 3). Texas is also getting much more positive national press under Sark. In short, Texas was facing 8-4 at best for years to come under Herman. In any event, 10 wins next year will validate Sark hiring.
 
ViperHorn said:
Georgia will be back in the $EC Championship game next year as a very fresh team. Who out of this schedule will even put up a moderate amount of fight:

UT-Martin
Ball State
South Carolina
UAB
Auburn
Kentucky
Vandy
Florida
Missouri
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Georgia

Tennessee maybe?
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Probably only the SEC West champion .... Fighting Texas Aggies!

I kid (on the latter not the former).
 
Creek said:
Not true—we were 7-3. The year before was 8-5. The year before was that 10-4…25-12. 25-12 wasn’t good enough.
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Record be damned. Tom Herman had proceeded to the point that he had his own players recruiting against him, he had his bosses pissed off, he had the big donors pissed off, and he had absolutely zero hope of turning any of that around. The Texas program under his direction was a runaway train headed uncontrollably toward the washed out bridge over a 1000 foot canyon. Tom Herman would have presided over a horrific implosion with no chance of survivors.

Sark suffered the train wreck and is in the process of rescuing the survivors and salvaging what he can. I think his first two years have been acceptable, though certainly not spectacular.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Record be damned. Tom Herman had proceeded to the point that he had his own players recruiting against him, he had his bosses pissed off, he had the big donors pissed off, and he had absolutely zero hope of turning any of that around. The Texas program under his direction was a runaway train headed uncontrollably toward the washed out bridge over a 1000 foot canyon. Tom Herman would have presided over a horrific implosion with no chance of survivors.

Sark suffered the train wreck and is in the process of rescuing the survivors and salvaging what he can. I think his first two years have been acceptable, though certainly not spectacular.
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The problem with Texas —pleasing donors is Job one. The over focus on $$$ and soft results. Soft results—Like being nice, not being arrogant, or saying nice things at press conferences and events. Or not saying things that trigger people. Herman was a known jerk, but if he could of won more -I’d be all in. Coaches need to win -that is all…in my opinion.

I saw what a Sark team looks like with his own recruits at the Alamo bowl. It didn’t look that good.
 
Recruiting tanked under Coach Binder but it’s hard to say how much if that had to do with his job insecurity. Hard to pitch a player to come play for you as a dead man walking. Not even a kiss on the neck and sweet nuthin in their ear can overcome that.

that said Herman never recruited quite as well as Sark even in his best year.
 
LonghornCatholic said:
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Sadly- this is what concerns me about UT joining the SEC.
I present to you - The Sothann ( su-than) Dummy.
Easy to spot,
*know nothing other than SEC football
* constancy in overplaying the Sothann Dummy accent
* yells. Yells a lot
* would wear a team specific article of clothing to their moms funeral.
 
theiioftx said:
If you don’t think it was a train wreck, not sure what qualifies. Eagles et al had the program in complete disarray and Herman not only could not manage it, he made it worse. He wasn’t fired due to his record - it was because he was setting the locker room on fire. Remember the first thing Sark did? He put the Eyes controversy to bed and started rebuilding the brand.
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This
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Gotta give Tom that one. He knew how to play and win a bowl game for sure.
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Also never lost to Kansas.

The biggest issue to me was his calling card was how he'd beaten the Big Boys (double digit wins vs top-10 Florida State and Oklahoma with half the talent). At first while he was here, he showed he could play the scrappy underdog card very well, even though as the favorite he'd play down to the competition a bit.

But then after going 10-4 and beating Oklahoma and Georgia, now we were the favorites. And he didn't seem to thrive in that role as well for whatever reason. (Only 1-4 against the Sooners, for example - good teams that were hard to beat, yes, but we should have had at least one more win based on what his specialty was.) Almost like how in games we'd seem to play better from behind than ahead.
 
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For some reason bowl games stick out in my mind- 5x over regular season games.
I damn near remember every one of them for better or worse, but only can recall the dramatic regular season games.
 
ViperHorn said:
Georgia will be back in the $EC Championship game next year as a very fresh team. Who out of this schedule will even put up a moderate amount of fight:

UT-Martin
Ball State
South Carolina
UAB
Auburn
Kentucky
Vandy
Florida
Missouri
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Georgia

Tennessee maybe?
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Looks about as bad as a PAC12 schedule....
Maybe worse.
They should be ashamed
 
UGA was also missing its two best defenders and a receiver from that Sugar Bowl. The whole "they didn't want to be there" does ring true, regardless of what Texas fans want to believe about that evening.
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We were missing our best OL and like 5 defenders in our bowl game the year before, and won by 17.
 
Statalyzer said:
Also never lost to Kansas.

The biggest issue to me was his calling card was how he'd beaten the Big Boys (double digit wins vs top-10 Florida State and Oklahoma with half the talent). At first while he was here, he showed he could play the scrappy underdog card very well, even though as the favorite he'd play down to the competition a bit.

But then after going 10-4 and beating Oklahoma and Georgia, now we were the favorites. And he didn't seem to thrive in that role as well for whatever reason. Almost like how in games we'd seem to play better from behind than ahead.
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In fairness, I think Dicker bailed Tommy Boy out at the gun vs KU one year...and the game was cx'd the next.

:herring:
 
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Creek said:
I saw what a Sark team looks like with his own recruits at the Alamo bowl. It didn’t look that good.
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Your first paragraph might be right, but the second one leaves out two important facts:
  • Sark has had one recruiting class. He came to Austin knowing he was stuck with Herman's class that had already signed (and some were already on campus); and
  • Herman did not defeat ou 49-0.
Also, Sark is having to rebuild a program that by 2025 has to be more than just competitive in the $EC.
 
Creek said:
I saw what a Sark team looks like with his own recruits at the Alamo bowl. It didn’t look that good.
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And except for one which was Worthy, if I recall correctly, all of Sark's recruits were all Frosh this year and in their first year except for a few that transferred in. Most , with any experience, were Herman's guys.
 
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Y’all are mostly a reasonable bunch.

I never liked Tom Herman. But don’t downplay beating Georgias ***. We took it to them. What was it 7 points given up thru 3? Just like he took it to Utah with a bunch of NFL draftees and Mizzou. For whatever reason, he excelled in bowl games. He screwed himself with his personality. All teams went thru Covid, but it probably impacted the Horns more negatively than most. New coordinators. The Eyes of Texas. Lost out on two winnable games.

Sark has more positives for longer term projections but also has the lower floor which he’s exhibited this far. His perceived offensive prowess has gotten him two high profile QB recruits. NIL has helped him significantly I’d say otherwise. You do have to question whether he plays favorites to the detriment of short term results. Card left for reasons. Angilau left for reasons. Worthy keeps getting deep balls for reasons. That’s not to say there aren’t justifiable or understandable reasons. Let’s also not forget that Sark has benefited from Covid. Lots of guys getting extra time and making an impact with it.

5-7 was a very piss poor job. 8-5 was barely tolerable. Program direction is upward although moving slowly with onfield performance but faster moving on recruiting. His path to not blow leads is accumulation of talent and time. There’s enough positive coaching acumen to support that talent, but these first two years he has found a way to lose rather win.
 
Statalyzer said:
He also played a bunch of 12-2 Oklahoma teams and not a 6-7 Oklahoma team missing its QB and running wildcat half the game.
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Yeah. I’ve now wandered into the Cotton Bowl 20-25 times. That was the worst OU team I’ve witnessed. For me personally, they were so crappy and gave up so easily it took a little joy out of it. Im not one to say teams quit. But hell if they didn’t quit trying to score at the start of the second half. They’re a .500 team with what is a very solid QB. You take him away and they bring the least amount of fire and energy I’ve ever witnessed, and you get 49-0.
 
NRHorn said:
Sadly- this is what concerns me about UT joining the SEC.
I present to you - The Sothann ( su-than) Dummy.
Easy to spot,
*know nothing other than SEC football
* constancy in overplaying the Sothann Dummy accent
* yells. Yells a lot
* would wear a team specific article of clothing to their moms funeral.
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My guess. He's a butt hurt Alabama fan that ran down to Walmart for that $10 msu cap, giving the appearance of being somewhat Switzerland on the subject.

Sorry , tcu deserved to be there. Beat Michigan. Deal
 
mchammer said:
Texas recruiting was going in the toilet under Herman. In Sark’s first 2 full classes (not counting the interim one), he has pulled in consensus top 5 classes (some say top 3). Texas is also getting much more positive national press under Sark. In short, Texas was facing 8-4 at best for years to come under Herman. In any event, 10 wins next year will validate Sark hiring.
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Before I get excoriated let me say that I'm in the give it at least one more year with Sark...But when I saw this, it made me think about the pet school northeast of Austin...great recruiting classes...bad record.
 
Recruiting means much less now than before the portal came along. Seems more of a year round talent acquisition exercise now than just a huge Recruiting Day ordeal.

Kids come and go, the whole thing stinks for people like me that build our lives around more than just following tweets of teenagers and early 20s.

It's become tiresome and the comments nick Saban made over the summer are making a lot more sense. The goose that laid the golden egg (college football) was killed by the portal and NIL
 
It's become tiresome and the comments nick Saban made over the summer are making a lot more sense. The goose that laid the golden egg (college football) was killed by the portal and NIL.
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Money ruins everything. Just ask NASCAR.
 
Phil Elliott said:
Money ruins everything. Just ask NASCAR.
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I would tend to agree with this statement. I've been as avid a sports fan as there is my entire life. And maybe it's just my age, but I don't even watch that much anymore. It's not that I'm not interested. But I can't stand the incessant stoppages of play so more beer, viagra, trucks etc can be sold. A one hour football game now takes close to 4 hours to play, and only about 30 minutes of actual action. I don't have the patience for that anymore.
 
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