Swine Flu Distribution and the New Caste System

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Has anybody else been paying attention to the incompetent and just overtly political distributions of the H1N1 vaccine? The CDC is handling the distributions of the vaccine and the inequity in distribution is just mind-boggling.

In D/FW, Dallas County just this week recieved 19,200 doses of H1N1 vaccine, on top of the initial amount (I believe about 7,000) around three weeks ago. Collin County has received 500 total. 500. Gee, Dallas County happens to be majority Democratic, Collin County is known as the GOP's strongest county. Nothing to see here, I suppose.

Moreover, when did it become a BAD thing to have insurance? Pregnant women and infants are in the high risk group. Yet, if you have insurance, you likely cannot find vaccine. Meanwhile, the Dallas County Health Department has thousands, but you need not apply if you have health insurance. I suppose my 18 month old should get sick and potentially die because I actually have a job and insurance. Stupid.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the insured should have a priority over the uninsured. But, on what planet does it make any sense that because I pay for health insurance, I am barred from receiving health care?!?!?!?

My wife is pregnant with our second, and our son is in the risk group. Everyday we check for availabie vaccines at the physicians offices with the same answer. None. Meanwhile we watch while mass vaccination clinics are given to the uninsured.

I am certain this will divide along the usual lines, with the usual suspects calling me an elitest or worse. But, I am just trying to keep my family healthy and safe. I cannot believe that we have come to a point in this country where having a job and paying for insurance is a real impediment to that.
 
That really sucks and it sounds like it is not being very well handled. I highly doubt the CDC is getting a directive to supply less vaccine to GOP counties though. That is a big stretch.

As for our experience here in Orange County, CA goes with a pregnant wife: The county health department put a notice on their website on Friday 10/31 saying that pregnant women could get a free shot by appt only. We call Monday and my wife got it on Tuesday. It was free, very little hassle, and we were in and out of there in less than 5 minutes (literally from parking to leaving). They took only her name and contact info and nothing regarding the insurance, so that wasn't a factor.

Our health dept is also putting on some free clinics for children to get the vaccine. I have been told that I may be able to get one in the next round due to living with a pregnant woman. I know that if we had a 6mo or younger infant I could get one on the next round for sure. Overall I have been pretty impressed by the distribution here in the OC. We got the normal flu shots at Walgreens so I don't know how the county dept did with that one - although they asked my wife and I both if we had the normal one when we got her H1N1 because they were giving it out to anyone who wanted it.

I have no idea if OC is far behind timewise on getting the vaccine out, but once it was available it was extremely easy for a pregnant woman to get.
 
As a healthcare worker I was able to get the H1N1 vaccine through work. Our office was only allotted about half the quantity of vaccine we requested. Lucky for me not everyone at work wanted it.
 
4,000 dead from H1N1 so far, nationally. This has not been a success for the government, as it made decisions months ago (with no debate) that limited the amount of vaccine developed.

Two ponts:

1. I have no illusions that it would have been any different with McCain as president. Just as I believe New Orleans would have been hurt just as badly by Katrina if Kerry were president.
2. Not an endorsement for government-managed healthcare.
 
If some clinic is giving vaccines to the uninsured, whats to stop you from going to these clinics and saying you don't have insurance?

Isn't your problem really with your insurance carrier for not providing you access to the vaccine?
 
We got our 9-month old son the swine flu shot. We actually lucked out - his 9-month checkup was right after his doctor's office got their allocation of H1N1 shots, but before they had announced it. So he was one of the first to get the shot, and it was covered under his co-pay.
 
This has been executed pretty much exactly the way that I expect Obamacare to be executed.
 
Can someone please explain to me why you guys don't want the shot?

I am all for avoiding unnecessary shots, chemicals and medicine when possible- e.g. cholesterol medicine or tylenol with acetawhatever in it- but this vaccine is a virus. As far as I understand this virus is a replication of things found naturally in nature- even though we generally don't want to have a virus inside us- it is also the reasons we have an amazingly resilient immune system.

So do you guys think it is somehow dangerous for you? Do you just hate shots or vaccines with no explanation? My wife and I have a newborn, but I would get one regardless. (As soon as the lines get smaller)
 
did you watch that video?

simply by reading the package insert, you will find that this has not been tested and you and your newborn are the guinea pigs. there are also many dangerous side effects.

in 1976, the swine flu shot killed more people than the swine flu itself - and the makers had to pay out millions - which they were fine with since that was only a small percentage of the profits.

today, the makers are exempt from any responsibility.

i wouldn't let someone work on my car that was not liable for their work!!!

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I understand that you would rather trust some internet source than thousands of healthcare professionals. And I understand that you think vaccine manufacturers are evil. However, I don't understand why people such as yourself have such ingrained beliefs.

I had a world expert on vaccine safety once try to convince a patient, and while admittedly he was more academician than clinician, he failed miserably in the task. What would it take to convince you that your position is flat out wrong? Hundreds of millions of lives have been saved by vaccines and vaccination along with improved sanitation have had the greatest effect of raising life expectancy of humans 30-40 years.
 
Here are a couple of websites that may interest you. The first is from the CDC. The second link is to the vaccine education center at Philadelphia Children's Hospital. The Center does an excellent job dispelling incorrect vaccination rumors and educating the public. The third and the fourth link provide expert immunization resources and additional education material on vaccines and vaccine safety. Finally, the WHO has information on how to evaluate medical information found on the web. Hope that helps.
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See, the problem is: What I posted was not just some internet information. It was from peer reviewed journals. This is science, not opinion.

Explain this information from the CDC. Please note the source again. This is what happened, not opinion.

Sure seems like the exact year that the CDC started vaccinating children under the age of 5, the number of deaths increased 7 fold.
 
also wanted an explanation on this: Flu Shot's Failures
This graph shows the actual stats of deaths from the flu. Notice that there has been ZERO major change in the rate of death from the flu in the last 60 years.

You can show propaganda to me all day from the CDC and WHO stating that the flu shot is the best way to protect you and your family. I am showing real stats. A true history of what happened.

The flu shot is a joke. It doesn't reduce the number of deaths per year - it never has. It does have multiple toxic ingredients. You'd be better off with the sugar pill, at least it wouldn't hurt you...except for that diabetes thing.
 
When you talk about peer review journals, realize that you can go to pubmed and find thousands of articles. Further, the NIH National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases has multiple programs dedicated to vaccines.

For example there is a program dedicated to thimerosal. Recent peer reviewed studies show that levels of mercury are well below the safe mark of 29mmol per liter. Further, the safe mark is set 10X below the mark that causes neurological problems. And ethylmercury which comes from thimerosal is eliminated from the body at a much higher rate than methyl mercury. Further, since 1999 thimerosal-free vaccines have been introduced.
 
The reason there is shortage of H1N1 is the problem IMO. Actually there is a shortage of the regular influenza vaccine this year b/c many manufacturers stopped making earlier than usual and started making H1N1. There are too few manufacturers and the process takes too long to produce the vaccine. There is a ton of research going on to find new ways to produce vaccine so that it can be mass produced in a much shorter time frame. There other worry there is that you can have mutation of the influenza strain while the vaccine is being produced. The April/May strain for example is different than the strain that started hitting in September.

Tamiflu suspension has similarly been unavailable. Only 1 manufacture of this. Gov't needs to take action to start producing from other manufacturers now. They should have done this months ago but it isn't too late. Tamiflu will needed for the regular flu season as well and we don't have it now.

Many people see the 4,000 number quoted above and get scared. But realize that many more die of the regular flu strain every year. And that 4,000 number will rise if our treatment options remain limited or unavailable.
 
I am a realist.

There was a drastic reduction of smallpox and I feel the vaccine played a good role in the eradication of this disease. I also feel that it was not a very contagious disease which limited it's "spreadability" (that's not a word).

How can anyone argue that the flu shot is working? The graph I posted above on it's failures is absolute proof. I hope you guys will actually think about this... It has not decreased the death rate from the flu - ever.

Once you actually sit back, take off the FDA/CDC/WHO tinted glasses, you can't help but realize that we are being lied to about the flu shot.

There is no way to argue that the flu shot works - therefore, you are adding multiple toxins to your body for no reason.

Watch this video on the ingredients of the flu shot:
Would you drink this?
 
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