Sweden ousts its left wing government

Sangre Naranjada said:
Sounds like a good start!
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I'm not for book burnings, gov't censorship, beating up people, invading Finland, or other things of that sort of nature. It's their country though, and under the long-standing principles of the Peace of Westphalia (which the once-mighty Swedes did more than any other country to get us to)*, what they do with it is up to them.

I wish them well, but remember the far right can be as nutty as the far left...




*a solid argument can be made that then-mighty Sweden, led by King Gustavus Adolphus intervening in the 30 Years War, saved the Protestant World from a complete Catholic takeover, thereby allowing for the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution, the rise of the Scientific Method, the rise of individual freedoms, and the other things that came out of that--including These United States.
 
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Chop said:
I wish them well, but remember the far right can be as nutty as the far left...
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Anyone afraid of the far right today is asking for a complete woke Marxist takeover. The Leftists in power today are grooming children, stealing our money through inflation, censor all kinds of speech, and shut businesses down. Let's get serious about what the threat is.
 
Republicans are taking books out of school libraries which are sexually explicit. Is that too right wing?

Democrats are taking Little House On The Prairie out of school libraries because they have labeled it racist. Which is worse?

At this point there isn't a choice where some book banning isn't going to happen. You either are pro Little House On The Prairie or books in school explaining to elementary students how to perform sodomy.
 
The school library issue should be based on age-appropriateness.

The hypothetical non-pornographic photography, yet still descriptive book--"Billy's First Gay Orgy" would be completely inappropriate for the school librarian to read to a bunch of 1st graders. If they want to have that sort of book available in the library for late teen high schoolers to check out, that's another story.

Age appropriateness people!!!

Of course, there are those parents who bring their 4 year olds with them to watch Joker or The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and wonder why their child is disturbed for the next 10 days...
 
There's nothing wrong with Little House on the Prairie, other than it got a bit sappy from time to time.
 
And back to the situation in Sweden, Sweden sure does seem to catch a lot of grief from American Conservatives. I don't know why they like to pick on Sweden so much. I haven't been yet, but it seems like it would be a pretty nice place. Probably a lot better than Paraguay or Laos, or nearby Latvia.
 
Monahorns said:
Republicans are taking books out of school libraries which are sexually explicit. Is that too right wing?

Democrats are taking Little House On The Prairie out of school libraries because they have labeled it racist. Which is worse?

At this point there isn't a choice where some book banning isn't going to happen. You either are pro Little House On The Prairie or books in school explaining to elementary students how to perform sodomy.
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IMO, you're using an apples to oranges comparison. In the US we've always had a system for determining suitability for certain audiences based on content. This is applicable to libraries, schools, books, movies, etc.

A don't believe the depicting of a TV show, movie, etc. in it's historical perspective is one bit racist. In fact, I don't believe we learn from or correct historical wrongs if we don't learn about an understand those wrongs and how they came about.

A movie such as Amistad can teach us about the horrible atrocities of slavery just as a movie such a Schindler's List can teach us about the horrible Nazi atrocities.
 
Chop said:
And back to the situation in Sweden, Sweden sure does seem to catch a lot of grief from American Conservatives. I don't know why they like to pick on Sweden so much. I haven't been yet, but it seems like it would be a pretty nice place. Probably a lot better than Paraguay or Laos, or nearby Latvia.
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If you look at the statistics these days Sweden and the Scandinavian countries have as much or more economic freedom than the US and their governments spend less on healthcare than the US. Now Sweden has rejected woke ideology. At this point I want the US to become more like Sweden.
 
Run Pincher said:
IMO, you're using an apples to oranges comparison. In the US we've always had a system for determining suitability for certain audiences based on content. This is applicable to libraries, schools, books, movies, etc.
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You're response doesn't explain how I am using an apples to oranges comparison. In fact, I wasn't saying the 2 sides make decisions based on the same logic. I was silent on that issue all together. My comment was that politically both sides are about banning books and neither are "far right" as Chop was talking about.

Run Pincher said:
A don't believe the depicting of a TV show, movie, etc. in it's historical perspective is one bit racist. In fact, I don't believe we learn from or correct historical wrongs if we don't learn about an understand those wrongs and how they came about.

A movie such as Amistad can teach us about the horrible atrocities of slavery just as a movie such a Schindler's List can teach us about the horrible Nazi atrocities.
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I completely agree.
 
Chop said:
The school library issue should be based on age-appropriateness.

The hypothetical non-pornographic photography, yet still descriptive book--"Billy's First Gay Orgy" would be completely inappropriate for the school librarian to read to a bunch of 1st graders. If they want to have that sort of book available in the library for late teen high schoolers to check out, that's another story.

Age appropriateness people!!!

Of course, there are those parents who bring their 4 year olds with them to watch Joker or The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and wonder why their child is disturbed for the next 10 days...
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Yes, that's the point Chop. The right today is banning book in school libraries based on sound ethics, logic, and morality. Book banning isn't a "far right" pathology that should always be avoided.
 
Monahorns said:
Book banning isn't a "far right" pathology that should always be avoided.
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Book banning tends to be an extremist pathology. The leftists, like Chairman Mao, Josef Stalin, Lenin, etc. banned as many (or more) books than rightists like Torquemada or Mussolini did.

School library books should be based on age appropriateness.
 
What Sweden Got Right About COVID | Washington Monthly

"But Sweden seems to have been right. Countries that took the severe route to stem the virus might want to look at the evidence..."

'The researchers found that among 11 wealthy peer nations, Sweden was the only one with no excess mortality among individuals under 75. None, zero, zip. "

"That’s not to say that Sweden had no deaths from COVID. It did. But it appears to have avoided the collateral damage that lockdowns wreaked in other countries. The Kaiser study wisely looked at excess mortality, rather than the more commonly used metric of COVID deaths."

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Chop said:
Book banning tends to be an extremist pathology. The leftists, like Chairman Mao, Josef Stalin, Lenin, etc. banned as many (or more) books than rightists like Torquemada or Mussolini did.

School library books should be based on age appropriateness.
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I think we are talking past one another here. I agree with everything you say here. I don't think it contradicts anything I have said.

Let me make my point again. Your last sentence shows that book banning is okay and right in some cases. The question isn't about which books even but the logical justification for the ban.
 
Chop said:
What Sweden Got Right About COVID | Washington Monthly


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My graduate adviser had an exchange program with a chemical engineering department in Finland (if I recall). Before my time, he sent a graduate student over there for a year stint of foreign study. After he returns to Austin, a female from Finland knocks on his door with a newborn. This was in the late 80’s before the internet. He was the last one to be part of the exchange program.
 
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One other thing, we shouldn't use the term "book banning." That's hyperbolic idiocy. Taking a book from a school library isn't banning the book. Criminalizing the selling of the book to adults is banning a book.
 
Monahorns said:
Book censoring in schools?
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That would certainly be more accurate. I don't like the "banning" phrase for two reasons. First, it's inaccurate. Nobody's prohibiting anybody from getting these books. Adults can get them. Even children can still get them. However, we're just not using taxpayer money to put them on school library shelves. That isn't a "ban."

Second, when we call it a "ban," we adopt the Left's language and characterization of what we are and what we're doing. You can't win an argument that way, even if you're right on the merits. It's the same reason they don't call their people "groomers."
 
Finns and Swedes want to keep being Finns and Swedes. Look at the UK and Ireland to see the opposite.
 
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