Stormy Daniels

[OUBubba]

Can anyone tell me what Stormy and her lawyer are after other than poop flinging? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but, am I missing their point? They took $130k to hush. They're not hushing. Now, they can say that the deal is moot because _________ so they don't have to hush. However, what are they wanting other than to embarrass Trump?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Can anyone tell me what Stormy and her lawyer are after other than poop flinging? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but, am I missing their point? They took $130k to hush. They're not hushing. Now, they can say that the deal is moot because _________ so they don't have to hush. However, what are they wanting other than to embarrass Trump?

Notoriety? Political impact? Avenatti's release of Cohen financial details was bazaar. Though it's interesting that Cohen is profiting off his Trump relationship, that has nothing to do with Daniels.

I read that Stormy Daniels is also becoming a larger online porn presence so she too is making money on the ordeal.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Can anyone tell me what Stormy and her lawyer are after other than poop flinging? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but, am I missing their point? They took $130k to hush. They're not hushing. Now, they can say that the deal is moot because _________ so they don't have to hush. However, what are they wanting other than to embarrass Trump?

Barry,

She wants a few things. First, she wants the non-disclosure agreement (NDA) that she signed set aside or otherwise voided. To accomplish this, she has filed a declaratory judgment action in California state court, which has since been removed to federal court. However, the judge has imposed a 90-day stay, pending the criminal prosecution of Michael Cohen. (I think her case is very weak and borderline frivolous.)

Second, she wants money damages against Trump basically for calling her a liar and tweeting that the story about some guy threatening her to keep quiet (and the drawing she made of him) was made up. She has sued him in federal court in New York for defamation. (Interestingly, the case got filed very soon after the declaratory judgment case was stayed.)

Third, she wants to get rich and famous. I assume that pretty much everybody in Oklahoma watches a lot of porn since there's nothing else to do, so I'm sure you knew all about Stormy Daniels prior to this story. However, most people didn't. By filing these suits and doing a lot of softball interviews, she's becoming a household name, and of course, she's doing the "Make America Horny Again" tour at strip clubs, where she's making money and otherwise promoting herself.

I don't think she's a partisan liberal. I think she's a self-centered porn star and not much else. She's basically exploiting partisan liberal politicians and media figures to make money for and attract attention to herself like most porn stars in her position presumably would.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

Second, she wants money damages against Trump basically for calling her a liar and tweeting that the story about some guy threatening her to keep quiet (and the drawing she made of him) was made up. She has sued him in federal court in New York for defamation. (Interestingly, the case got filed very soon after the declaratory judgment case was stayed.)

If we can now sue people for calling us liars on Twitter, we're going to need more lawyers.

 

[OUBubba]

I assume that pretty much everybody in Oklahoma watches a lot of porn since there's nothing else to do, so I'm sure you knew all about Stormy Daniels prior to this story.

That was kind of douchy. I'm sure you just left off the

Thanks for the summary.

My take is her attorney is a sharp hack who's happy to let her run with the flag up the hill and take the bullets while he works behind her.

 

[Htown77]

I hold stormy daniels in very low regard. That said, it seems like Trump could have avoided all of this by not getting involved with her and her ilk.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

I hold stormy daniels in very low regard. That said, it seems like Trump could have avoided all of this by not getting involved with her and her ilk.

That's what happens when you're rich, amoral, and don't spend your adult life thinking about becoming president. That's the kind of decision-making that doesn't happen for someone like Trump unless you're thinking "I wonder if this could come back to haunt me if I ever decided to run for office?" And even then, he might have said "Nahh, they'll get over it."

 

[Mr. Deez]

If we can now sue people for calling us liars on Twitter, we're going to need more lawyers.

There's no reason why someone should be allowed to defame just because he happens to use Twitter. Nevertheless, you won't see too many lawsuits for two reasons.

First, defamation suits are extremely hard to win (or even get in front of a jury) after New York Times v. Sullivan. Second, 99 out of 100 actionable defamation cases (meaning cases in which you can avoid the case getting tossed by the judge) involve judgment-proof defendants. Stormy Daniels got extremely lucky.

Honestly, I think defamation cases should be much easier to win. For almost 200 years, we generally allowed people to have their days in court for defamation. For the last 50 years, we've let the media basically say anything they want without consequence. Were we better off with a Walter Cronkite and David Brinkley media or a with a Jim Acosta and Rachel Maddow media? I think we were better off with Cronkite and Brinkley.

 

[Statalyzer]

There aren't a lot of things less relevant than whether a chronically/publicly adulterous man had an affair with porn star a decade ago. Unless he raped her, I don't see an issue worthy of much public attention. I understand why comedians are interested, but I can't really see the relevance to serious news shows.

It exposes the blatant tribalism and hypocrisy of millions of Americans, left and right.

If it happen and Trump flat-out said it didn't, it exposes him as an overt liar who can't be trusted.

Those both seem pretty relevant to me.

 

[Clean]

That's what happens when you're rich, amoral, and don't spend your adult life thinking about becoming president. That's the kind of decision-making that doesn't happen for someone like Trump unless you're thinking "I wonder if this could come back to haunt me if I ever decided to run for office?" And even then, he might have said "Nahh, they'll get over it."

As is proven almost every day, from Ted Kennedy to Bill Clinton to Anthony Weiner to Eric Schneiderman, a strong sex drive seems to be a requisite for politicians.

Hell, although not a politician, even St. Martin Luther King was rumored to have had lots of affairs, including one with Joan Baez.
http://www.newsweek.com/declassified-jfk-file-details-fbi-sex-smears-about-martin-luther-king-701996

 

[Mr. Deez]

That was kind of douchy. I'm sure you just left off the

Didn't mean to offend. It was just my usual Oklahoma-bashing.

 

[OUBubba]

Didn't mean to offend. It was just my usual Oklahoma-bashing.

I'm not sure what I was expecting. Maybe it hit too close to home......