Statehood or not for Palestine?

[Bevo Incognito]

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[borna_horn]

Bevo Incognito, you ignore several facts that I guess are inconvenient for your arguments.

- The creation of Israel did not give the Jews all of Palestine. It gave them a partition on land which was majority Jewish.

- Jerusalem was the Jewish capital for over 1000 years. When Jesus lived, he came to a Jewish city to preach in a province called Judea.

- The name "Palestine" was invented by the Romans after they destroyed the Jewish nation. The goal was precisely to wipe out all trace of Jewish claim to their homeland. The propoganda obviously still works on you and many others to this day.

- The Jews were the first to expand Jerusalem beyond the Old City walls in the late 19th-century. In essense, they founded "new" Jerusalem. At this time, the Jews were a majority of the city and have been ever since. Their is no rationale for it belonging to anyone else, although you could make a case for the Old City having some sort of independent neutrality similar to the Vatican, something shared between the three faiths. That is something I have always seen as a possible compromise.

- The Jewish claim to ancient Judea and to Jerusalem goes beyond religion. It is nationalistic. It is no different than if the Greeks had been kicked out of Greece 2000 years ago and wanted to go back after being a persecuted minority in other countries for centuries. The Jews are a people, not just a religion. They have their own language, and that language comes from ancient Judea. The ancient towns still bear their Hebrew names.

 

[borna_horn]

One important point 03grad misses:

This is NOT the same as the 1947 UN vote. In 1947, the Jews accepted a UN plan that divided Palestine between Jew and Arab. This was a recognition of BOTH the Jewish and Arab claims to a nation in that land. The reason the Arabs rejected it is because they wanted Palestine all to themselves.

The current Palestinian bid for statehood does not include recognition of Israel's right to exist. It is only a recognition of Palestinian rights. That is precisely why the US and Israel are against it. The Palestinians are bidding to be granted statehood without having officially ended their war to destroy Israel. That can never happen, no matter what the UN decides. Until the war is over, there can be no Palestinian state.

 

[Bevo Incognito]

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[borna_horn]

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[Roger35]

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[Ag with kids]

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[mcbrett]

Ag is right- Native Americans are really Asians who walked across from Alaska a few thousand years ago.

You can take any point in history and say a place is "yours" if you want to fudge history. I believe Texas has 6 flags, as the saying goes, plus Indians but they weren't big on flags.

I really don't care what the Arabs claim- it's pretty clear they supported 5 wars on Israel, wanted to kill every Jew in Israel- and had their asses handed to them 5 different times. They should consider themselves lucky that Israel didn't escort the remaining suicide bombers, excuse me, Palestinians, to Jordan, Eqypt, Syria and Lebanon.

Had they done that- like the Golan Heights- this controversy would have largely ended long ago until the next Arab attack.