Spring 2012 heat wave

[Ag with kids]

The "all-time" record high? Or, the highest in ~150 years?

 

[majorwhiteapples]

I think Dennis Miller said it best, when he was growing up, his parents would just throw trash out the window of the car. He keeps it in his car until he finds a responsible place to dispose of his trash.

I would hope now that Miller's kids would take the next step and put recyclables in the appropriate place and non-recyclable in the appropriate place.

Step by step, generation by generation.

In 20 years, I believe most vehicles made will have an electrical component, hopefully we figure out what to do with all those batteries, hate to see piles of batteries like we do tires. Step by Step....

 

[Texoz]

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[mop]

Texoz, great point. I am almost entirely ignorant and unread (redundant anyone?) about that issue, so I will remain silent until I do some reading. I think that it would be the best argument I have heard for reigning in CO2 usage. The main arguments presented stink but what you have put forth, if it accurately represents the situation is reasonable.

 

[Ag with kids]

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[mop]

I think the report of Scotland is incredibly week. I don't know how much of the surface area of the earth is represented by Scotland but it is considerably less than 1%. On that basis alone, we should expect such a record to be broken somewhere in the World monthly. Add to that the non-controversial fact that we have been coming out of the Little Ice Age for 200 years and this becomes a "so what?" report. Who cares about a tiny place of the earth breaking a heat record? Why is this news and why does this actually get added to a thread like this?

 

[Bevo Incognito]

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[mop]

Bevo, good point. But my larger point is still intact. Pointing to incredibly local weather events in a very small timeframe is ridiculous.

 

[Texoz]

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[mop]

this thread is incredibly revealing! so what we have been saying for years on here is true. If it is local and hot, it is evidence for AGW, if it is local and cold it is meaningless---weather not climate---not useful to tell us anything.

I submit a link to a new study out that shows that the Russian heat wave of 2010 about which so much has been written was due to natural variations.

Russian heat wave of 2010 due to natural variations

 

[mop]

by the way, like the examples in this thread, the Russian heat wave was the "ALL TIME HOTTEST ON RECORD" (gasp!)

yet, it was natural. so what do you guys make of that?

 

[Bronco]

Ocean acidification. You don't hear much about this because even the strongest proponents of AGW realize the case here is very, very weak and they don't really want to have to defend it.

You can google any number of articles on the topic and you will get a slew of articles about the harmful effects. However, if you read closely, every single account is couched with words like "may" or "possibly" or "estimated" or something similar.

Texoz will do his usual bit about finding a single scientist that says it is not occurring or being at least partially caused by CO2. He is right. Just like you can't find any scientist to tell you that pissing in the ocean doesnt raise the sea level. It does. But by how much and to what effect are very different issues.

 

[mop]

this thread sure got quiet!