Spring 2012 heat wave

Loving it up here in Chicago. mid 70s and gorgeous.

I just hope it doesn't carry over to a bunch of one hundred degree days this summer as the houses up here aren't designed for that.
 
I guess the poles have reversed. Just two days ago here in my home office outside Tucson, I watched it sleet and snow while there was 3 feet of snow piling up 4 hours north of here.

One man's heat wave is another's cold wave.
 
i bet it's due to global warming!!!!
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(but if we experience winters like we did the last few years, it is due to GLobal Warming as well).
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Did y'all happen to catch Nova last night?

It's frightening, how quickly the world's observable glacial mass is thinning. Given that one billion people depend on the Himalayas for water and given that the glaciers there are so quickly retreating, it's going to be a very real problem for them in the not-so-distant future.
 
Why do y'all reckon that, across the globe, glaciers on every continent are in retreat?

At the current rate, glaciers will disappear from Glacier National Park within a couple of decades.
 
Live in Chicago too. I think the mild winter up here attributes to the fact that the jet stream didn't drop south very often, which normally brings the cold arctic air.

there was an article on three separate current phenomenons that affected the circulation of air and pressure zones that affect temperatures across the world. i just can't remember what their names were
 
Dfwagg, I was in Chicago this week too and it was awesome. One of my favorite cities to visit, especially when the weather was as is.
 
Would we place a lot of value on the most popular answer to a general scientific question like the number of stars in the Milky Way or the planet of Jupiter with the greatest probablity of supporting life? Opionion polls aren't really the proper place to test scientific theory. How do the scientists feel about global warming?
 
How long has concise meteorological data been recorded? Maybe 200 years? Compared to the age of the earth..that's narry a blink in the eye of time. How do the libs explain the melting of an estimated 272 Trillion cubic yards of ice before the automobile was ever invented? Did Barney Rubble and Fred Flintstone create that much friction with their tootsies?
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Omnipresent, earth has certainly seen a lot of climate change throughout its history for which mankind has had no impact. and it's really only in the past couple of centuries that one species has been able to dramatically change the ratio of gasses in the atmosphere. Most, as in all but a handful, of climate scientists, believe mankind has had an impact. Fortunately for Republican policy makers, most Americans choose to believe the handful and the media, for all it's perceived liberalness, give more press to the skeptics than to those accepting the concensus opinion.
 
that's probably due to the HOST of AGW predictions that are utterly failing to materialize. oh and 15 years of virtually flat temperatures certainly play into it as well.

Hadcrut Adjusted Series 1997-2012

note for those unfamiliar: this is the Hadcrut series which is a land based series that HAS been adjusted ("adjustments"somehow always seems to make the warming more pronounced and not less pronounced.). This is the series put together by the Hadley center and the Cru from East Anglia University in England. This is NOT a "skeptic" friendly series at all.
 
High in Dallas today was 86.....not a record high though, which was 97 - set in 1899
For good measure, the coldest recorded day here was in 1955, a sobering 26
 
Bevo Icognito my answer is that we have been warming, including glaciers melting, for 150 years. Why should this either worry us or upset us? We have also seen that more and more studies have shown that soot and particulates are causing much of the melting. By the way, there are also glaciers "all over the world" that are growing. For example, the glaciers in California, Oregon and Washington have been growing consistently for 50 years. There are many more examples, but I would agree that probably more are melting than are growing, probably even many more?

But if you argument is that melting glaciers proves AGW, you probably know what I would say to that logic right?
 
Bevo…I think your 2 points are both entirely reasonable and entirely poignant. I actually find that i often feel that way about your points. here are my answers:

1. yes, you are of course correct, but then the point is that if the earth has been warmer in the past and has had FAR more CO2 in the atmosphere (and both appear to be VERY true) then we know that any notion of a tipping point or things spiraling out of control are suspect. the earth's atmosphere has had 10 and even 20 times as much CO2 in it. but you are of course correct…..by itself it isn't an argument against doing something. I think they are meant to point out that the natural causes may very explain the majority of the warming we have seen, but even if they haven't alarmism, based on geological history, seems unjustifiable.

2. Great point and i think that our influence is useful and interesting to study, but all indications are (even from the most optimistic alarmists) that what we could reasonably accomplish even with worldwide cooperation will be so insignificant at this point as to be useless. i think we should continue to study and seek out innovation that would accomplish far more with far less money spent (either through lost opportunity costs or applied money spent).

to use my tired analogy, I think we are like a bunch of New Yorkers in 1870 freaking out about the growing horse manure problem that innovation is about to make utterly insignificant. a certain amount of "necessity is the mother of invention" is useful to encourage innovation and i readily grant that, but I think we are overreaching by a few thousand miles in that regards.
 
Bevo, people that ask the questions you are asking (which are good questions) clearly have not yet looked at the economics of trying to prevent Global Warming, it is utterly futile even if we are responsible. Innovation will be our only way out if we are responsible.
 
Bevo, I am talking about hundreds of Billions spent on reduction of CO2. Reducing CO2, if CO2 is not contributing significantly to the problem, would be a waste of money and resources.
 
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