So do the John Bolton revelations bother anybody?

[iatrogenic]

A GOP friend went to the Tulsa rally. He said the speakers were incredible and it was a great experience - except for the last speaker. He said he was the worst by far.

You guys own this turd. The SDNY will be fun to watch.

Since we own the "lib-turds" on this board, we can just slide you, SH and LH over in the turd collection cabinet and add Trump.

Garmel is right, you never learn.

 

[NJlonghorn]

So you don't have any evidence. Not surprising.

It is no secret that the guy was a Republican, and a Trump supporter. I almost posted links to several liberal sites, including CNN and Bloomberg, but then I found this quote from Fox:

Berman, a Republican who contributed to the president’s election campaign, worked for the same law firm as Giuliani and was put in his job by the Trump administration.

Link

 

[OUBubba]

So you don't have any evidence. Not surprising.

So you're a prick to any non neoconservative? I'm jealous. I thought it was just me.

 

[OUBubba]

It is no secret that the guy was a Republican, and a Trump supporter. I almost posted links to several liberal sites, including CNN and Bloomberg, but then I found this quote from Fox:



Link

Sadly, the least reputable link that you found is the one that should have put him in his place [but it won't].

 

[Crockett]

As a Trump supporter, Iatrogenic, it is reasonable for you to trust whatever you pull out of your *** more than what I read in newspapers.

 

[Garmel]

Sadly, the least reputable link that you found is the one that should have put him in his place [but it won't].

Well, Fox News wasn't the one pushing Russia collusion or pee tapes, Okie.

 

[Garmel]

As a Trump supporter it is reasonable for you to trust whatever you pull out of your *** more than what I read.

As a Trump supporter I'll put up my accuracy over the last three years vs yours any day of the week, son.

 

[huisache]

The hiring of Bolton to begin with bothered me at the time because of his well known penchant for getting in wars in the middle east, especially his hostile intent towards Iran. The fact that Bone Spurs ignored and then isolated him is a mark in the president's favor.

From what I can tell in reading the reviews, etc, there is nothing negative about Trump that was not already the subject of much discussion. I suspect he delayed his "revelations" not so much to make money as to have maximum impact on the election. Of good news: he is finished as an adviser to any presidents. Good riddance.

 

[iatrogenic]

As a Trump supporter it is reasonable for you to trust whatever you pull out of your *** more than what I read.

You are the one making claims. If you want to believe what other's pull out of their asse- , its a free country. I do think there are websites that verify donations, but feel free to believe all the second hand info you can get your biased brain wrapped around.

As for NJLonghorn, I'll just refer him to the fraudulent voting in Detroit he claimed was disproven, but that claim was shown to be false because it also relied on false reporting.

Are there any truth seekers in the Democratic party, or is it just easier to make up false noose stories and run with them?

 

[iatrogenic]

So you're a prick to any non neoconservative? I'm jealous. I thought it was just me.

I know how facts can hurt Bubba, but you should at least try to verify something, OR ANYTHING, before making yourself look stupid every time you post.

 

[NJlonghorn]

As for NJLonghorn, I'll just refer him to the fraudulent voting in Detroit he claimed was disproven, but that claim was shown to be false because it also relied on false reporting.

The discussion you reference occurred over a number of weeks, and appears in this thread. Related issues were later discussed in this thread. Both threads are long, and I'm not going to take the time to pull out each individual post, other than the first post I made on the topic.

Once again, @Joe Fan Fan takes a small story with a kernel of truth to it and draws wildly unsubstantiated conclusions.

Yes, there is a problem with the Wayne County (Detroit) recounts. According to this article in the Detroit News (the city's conservative paper), the problem is that there are discrepancies between the number of votes in the sign-in books and the number of votes on the machines. The discrepancies ranged from 1 to 5 votes per precinct.

The discrepancies are attributed to super-old voting machines, which jam frequently. This would seem to indicate under-votes (to the Republicans' favor), but the article indicates the possibility that some votes may have been resubmitted after jamming, resulting in over-votes (to the Democrats' favor). I looked briefly, but haven't been able to find any indication of which direction the discrepancies were in. The only mention I came across referenced a single precinct, which had an under-vote. I'm sure more about this will come out soon.

Regardless, if the discrepancies can't be reconciled, the votes will not get "tossed". Under Michigan law, there will just be no recount and the original results will stand.

The evidence that has come out so far points to a faulty system, implemented incompetently. This story is definitely worth following, and it may well reveal fraud. But it hasn't yet.

To recap: President Trump and his supporters (including many on this board) claimed there was massive fraud in the Michigan election. I admitted that there were discrepancies, and I expressed immediate support for a full investigation. But I stood by the fact that there was not yet any evidence of fraud, much less massive fraud. I guestimated that the total discrepancy would be on the order of 500 votes -- nothing like what Trump or his supporters were claiming.

By the way, the investigation did happen. Discrepancies were found to exist, in quantities smaller than what I had suggested -- roughly 200 votes. The explanation given was sloppy and inconsistent procedures by poll workers. link

None of this proves that fraud didn't happen. Nor does it disprove the possibility of massive fraud. But until reasonably credible evidence is presented, I'm not prepared to leap to any conclusions.

 

[Crockett]

You are the one making claims. If you want to believe what other's pull out of their asse- , its a free country. I do think their are websites that verify donations, but feel free to believe all the second hand info you can get your biased brain wrapped around.

As for NJLonghorn, I'll just refer him to the fraudulent voting in Detroit he claimed was disproven, but that claim was shown to be false because it also relied on false reporting.

Are there any truth seekers in the Democratic party, or is it just easier to make up false noose stories and run with them?

it

Actually, you called him a "lib," which is information I assumed you pulled out of your ***, because you are the only person I've seen report it. There are many published sources that say otherwise. I thought I was helping you out by correcting a misperception. I can see now that you attach sacred importance to facts you pull from your *** and will not trouble you with that sort of correction again.

 

[iatrogenic]

Do you men that you won't leap to any conclusions like the following?:
NJLonghorn: "By the way, this validates my earlier guesstimate of 500 net over-votes:"

Not exactly. Those vote discrepancies come from the precincts that were recounted.

Sorry Charlie.

The recount only started on 534 precincts (out of 1680 total precincts).
Of the 534 precincts for which the recount was attempted, 128 precincts could not be counted because of voter signatures not equaling number of ballots.

Of the remaining 406 precincts that could be counted, the vote was off by 1144 (782 over and 362 under).

The real question concerning voter fraud is in the 128 precincts that could not be counted, as well as the remaining precincts that had discrepancies from the 1100 or so precincts for which the recount never started.

As of now, your guesstimate remains invalid, and the strong possibility of fraud remains.

The point is that if you rely on bullshi-, biased "news" sources, you reach bullshi- biased conclusions.

But keep cherry picking the past posts. It's a hell of a lot easier to start misinterpreting data to fit your narrative than to look at facts and admit you were wrong. Welcome to OUBubba's world.

 

[theiioftx]

The discussion you reference occurred over a number of weeks, and appears in this thread. Related issues were later discussed in this thread. Both threads are long, and I'm not going to take the time to pull out each individual post, other than the first post I made on the topic.



To recap: President Trump and his supporters (including many on this board) claimed there was massive fraud in the Michigan election. I admitted that there were discrepancies, and I expressed immediate support for a full investigation. But I stood by the fact that there was not yet any evidence of fraud, much less massive fraud. I guestimated that the total discrepancy would be on the order of 500 votes -- nothing like what Trump or his supporters were claiming.

By the way, the investigation did happen. Discrepancies were found to exist, in quantities smaller than what I had suggested -- roughly 200 votes. The explanation given was sloppy and inconsistent procedures by poll workers. link

None of this proves that fraud didn't happen. Nor does it disprove the possibility of massive fraud. But until reasonably credible evidence is presented, I'm not prepared to leap to any conclusions.

So are you for vote by mail (not absentee)? The government has mailed at least 72,000 stimulus checks to dead people. I know that is a small number (that is what has been sent back - I am sure some people cashed them) compared to the total population, but does that cause any concern?

 

[iatrogenic]

it

Actually, you called him a "lib," which is information I assumed you pulled out of your ***, because you are the only person I've seen report it. There are many published sources that say otherwise. I thought I was helping you out by correcting a misperception. I can see now that you attach sacred importance to facts you pull from your *** and will not trouble you with that sort of correction again.

Trump donated to the Democrat party many times. Is he a Lib, or did he do it to help his businesses?

Speaking of pulling things out of your azz, "published sources" does not mean accurate sources. I'm sure you believed Jussie Smollett because that lie came from a published source. Those "published" dic-heads write lies all day long for fools like you. Trump didn't appoint this moron, but he did fire the moron that appointed Berman. I have no idea if Berman is officially a D or an R, a Lib or a Republican, or agnostic, or if he donated to the Republican party, Democrat Party, Libertarian Party, Trump Presidential campaign, or all of them. I damn sure don't know his motivation to do any of the things he did, and neither do you. He did do some good things, but the fact is he was holding an interim position and jumped on the anti-Trump, SDNY bandwagon just like his predecessor, which means his actions indicate he is a lib. I see that the NYT has now removed the article that stated he has never been a friend of Trumps.

If I need your help, I'll let you know. Now, go back to advocating for the admittance of illegal aliens and muslim terrorists into the USA.

Dewey Defeats Truman!

 

[Garmel]

 

[OUBubba]

Are there any truth seekers in the Democratic party, or is it just easier to make up false noose stories and run with them?

You realize that the noose story is simply bad luck, right? There was a noose. It was done before October 2019. It was almost random that Wallace was put in that garage. It was the only garage that had an actual noose on the pull down rope for the whole speedway. Given that a confederate flag was pulled by a plane over the track and a convoy of pickups circled the track that day, having their antennae tuned that tight was reasonable.

 

[4th_floor]

You realize that the noose story is simply bad luck, right? There was a noose. It was done before October 2019. It was almost random that Wallace was put in that garage. It was the only garage that had an actual noose on the pull down rope for the whole speedway. Given that a confederate flag was pulled by a plane over the track and a convoy of pickups circled the track that day, having their antennae tuned that tight was reasonable.

The initial story was bad luck. The fact that Wallace continues to claim it was a noose intended for him shows he is trying to falsely push his narrative. NASCAR fans are owed an apology. I know it won't be forthcoming.

 

[horninchicago]

I had read somewhere that all the garage pulls had ends tied in that fashion, not just that one garage. But, who gives a ****? The gawdamn thing was there for months. Must be a real big tin foil hat society thinking someone is so brilliant as to have placed it last year and then put him in that garage this past week. Damn that NASCAR is smart.

 

[Mr. Deez]

You realize that the noose story is simply bad luck, right?

Actually, it's good luck. It's good that no one targeted him for racial harassment. That is a good thing.

 

[iatrogenic]

And again, Bubba goes back to altering his interpretation of the information to fit his biased beliefs instead of altering his beliefs to fit the facts. Wallace is either an idiot or a liar, but either way his pin head would probably fit in that "noose".

 

[horninchicago]

Actually, it's good luck. It's good that no one targeted him for racial harassment. That is a good thing.

Not for the liberals around here. They damn well won't admit they wish it was true. That's why they can't just say it wasn't true. They are full of ****.

 

[OUBubba]

And again, Bubba goes back to altering his interpretation of the information to fit his biased beliefs instead of altering his beliefs to fit the facts. Wallace is either an idiot or a liar, but either way his pin head would probably fit in that "noose".

Piss off. Wallace never saw the noose and was not aware of it until the NASCAR head guy told him about it. It was a mini noose. If I knew how to make one it would actually be functional for a pull down like that with no meaning.

It's bad luck that he got that garage. That's what I meant.

 

[OUBubba]

I had read somewhere that all the garage pulls had ends tied in that fashion, not just that one garage. But, who gives a ****? The gawdamn thing was there for months. Must be a real big tin foil hat society thinking someone is so brilliant as to have placed it last year and then put him in that garage this past week. Damn that NASCAR is smart.

The FBI said it was the only one.

 

[OUBubba]

FBI: NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace not target of hate crime, "noose" actually garage door pull rope

 

[horninchicago]

The FBI said it was the only one.

Like I said earlier, in years past, multiple ropes have been tied that way. Several pics in this article.
Bubba Wallace insists rope found in his NASCAR garage was a 'straight-up noose' | Daily Mail Online

 

[iatrogenic]

The FBI said it was the only one.

Where did they say that Bubba? Scroll down in your link to see others.

 

[OUBubba]

Bubba Wallace, NASCAR and investigating a hate crime: What we know and don't know after the FBI's findings

According to NASCAR, every one of those pulldowns was checked as part of the FBI investigation, and the only one of those fashioned into a noose was the rope in garage No. 4, which was assigned to the Richard Petty Motorsports No. 43 Chevy this past weekend.

 

[iatrogenic]

Piss off. Wallace never saw the noose and was not aware of it until the NASCAR head guy told him about it. It was a mini noose. If I knew how to make one it would actually be functional for a pull down like that with no meaning.

It's bad luck that he got that garage. That's what I meant.

So he made a big, racist deal out of a garage pull without knowing the facts. Sounds very, very familiar to the libs on this board.

Here's a great Bubba Wallace quote:
"'Make no mistake, though some will try, this should not detract from the show of unity we had on Monday, and the progress we’ve made as a sport to be a more welcoming environment for all."

Dear Azzhole Bubba,

You are the idiot trying to detract from any progress made by the "sport" of NASCAR to be a more welcoming environment.

GFY,

Iatrogenic

 

[OUBubba]

So he made a big, racist deal out of a garage pull without knowing the facts. Sounds very, very familiar to the libs on this board.

Here's a great Bubba Wallace quote:
"'Make no mistake, though some will try, this should not detract from the show of unity we had on Monday, and the progress we’ve made as a sport to be a more welcoming environment for all."

Dear Azzhole Bubba,

You are the idiot trying to detract from any progress made by the "sport" of NASCAR to be a more welcoming environment.

GFY,

Iatrogenic

First, don't call me that. Then I realized there are two bubba's here.

NASCAR is the entity who made a big deal out of it.

The NFL could have learned from how NASCAR rallied around him, regardless of why.