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Somebody on Facebook said that they should make Planters their corporate sponsor, make Mr. Peanut the logo, and become the Washington Redskin Peanuts.
 
Quit politicizing sports. Singing the anthem politicized the event. Because it was already politicized, Kaepernick injected his politics into it. The only solution is to end the politicization. Sing a team song or just play a game that EVERYBODY can enjoy.
 
Fvck the NFL. Don't care what they sing, I won't watch a second of it. They can all pound sand in hell for all I care.

This goes for any sport that bends to these pricks. The NBA is also dead to me. Greg Pop-a-zit can screw himself. I'll never follow the Spurs again as long as he is there.
 
Monahorns said:
Quit politicizing sports. Singing the anthem politicized the event. Because it was already politicized, Kaepernick injected his politics into it. The only solution is to end the politicization. Sing a team song or just play a game that EVERYBODY can enjoy.
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Interesting. So your take is that using the pregame for a few minutes of patriotism is political. I’ll have to think about that. Is the flag political?

See, I think of patriotism as a shared value, such that in a large group you know for a fact that many or most of us disagree strongly about the identity and definition of problems and solutions. Still, for a bit, we remind ourselves that with respect to being Americans, we have that in common, and we desire unity. We are willing for a moment to sing with those who disagree with us.
When and how did that become political? I interpret Kaepernick’s actions to be, “I do not share that common ground, and my political views must continue to be expressed— no, amplified—during the time everyone else agrees to set them aside for 90 seconds. Because my issues are more important than everyone else’s— indeed more important than whether the barely surviving ties that bind the country hold out.”
 
The ‘National’ Anthem is only political when one group hates America and resents all it stands for and another group loves it.
 
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Now that’s a interesting coincidence. Sorry I do not have the smarts to attach better.
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Will they stand for that then kneel for the real anthem?

It has reached a point where the more courageous and controversial act is to stand
 
Interesting. So your take is that using the pregame for a few minutes of patriotism is political. I’ll have to think about that. Is the flag political?

See, I think of patriotism as a shared value, such that in a large group you know for a fact that many or most of us disagree strongly about the identity and definition of problems and solutions. Still, for a bit, we remind ourselves that with respect to being Americans, we have that in common, and we desire unity. We are willing for a moment to sing with those who disagree with us.
When and how did that become political? I interpret Kaepernick’s actions to be, “I do not share that common ground, and my political views must continue to be expressed— no, amplified—during the time everyone else agrees to set them aside for 90 seconds. Because my issues are more important than everyone else’s— indeed more important than whether the barely surviving ties that bind the country hold out.”
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You make good points. But singing an anthem is a political act. It is a small one, but still one. It can be a unifying act if everyone is of the same mind. We aren't in the US. It can also be a tool to convince people to comply with the government. A type of soft propaganda to make people less likely to criticize the government, less likely to demand their rights as citizens.

When Kaepernick kneeled, he was expressing his disagreement. I thought he had the right to express that even though I don't agree with his view point. If everyones' views are on equal footing then people should be allowed to sing or not sing, stand or sit or kneel, as long as no one is disrupting or harming someone else. If we don't allow that then we are just trying to force others to do what we want them to do. We are requiring that they comply with what we want. I just want to enjoy football.
 
Monahorns said:
You make good points. But singing an anthem is a political act. It is a small one, but still one. It can be a unifying act if everyone is of the same mind. We aren't in the US. It can also be a tool to convince people to comply with the government. A type of soft propaganda to make people less likely to criticize the government, less likely to demand their rights as citizens.

When Kaepernick kneeled, he was expressing his disagreement. I thought he had the right to express that even though I don't agree with his view point. If everyones' views are on equal footing then people should be allowed to sing or not sing, stand or sit or kneel, as long as no one is disrupting or harming someone else. If we don't allow that then we are just trying to force others to do what we want them to do. We are requiring that they comply with what we want. I just want to enjoy football.
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We may not disagree on much as for this issue. I certainly don't think people should be made to stand or sing. I also agree that someone can kneel or whatever, as a right or privilege. It still is obnoxious, and self-centered, and deliberately divisive--in my opinion. Then, a separate issue is whether an employer can expect simple standing for the anthem so as NOT to make things political.

BTW, if I recall, Kaepernick at the beginning was not kneeling, but just sitting on the bench. Then, Nate Boyer met with him and suggested that at least he should kneel, showing some respect, although still deliberately deviating from the tradition. I do think that was an improvement, but by then, most people had chosen their talking point positions anyway.
 
We may not disagree on much as for this issue. I certainly don't think people should be made to stand or sing. I also agree that someone can kneel or whatever, as a right or privilege. It still is obnoxious, and self-centered, and deliberately divisive--in my opinion. Then, a separate issue is whether an employer can expect simple standing for the anthem so as NOT to make things political.
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I am with you on this. I don't like people kneeling during the anthem. But they don't like something about standing and singing. I think they are wrong, but it would be better to tolerate each other, respect those differences. The NFL could make this much simpler by requiring players to stand. Or they could keep players in the locker room during the anthem, etc. But the NFL and most large corporations are "woke". So they aren't going to help with this issue.

BTW, if I recall, Kaepernick at the beginning was not kneeling, but just sitting on the bench. Then, Nate Boyer met with him and suggested that at least he should kneel, showing some respect, although still deliberately deviating from the tradition. I do think that was an improvement, but by then, most people had chosen their talking point positions anyway.
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You are correct. That is why I wasn't that upset about the kneeling. He was being more respectful by kneeling instead of sitting on the bench. It was at least to show that he respected his teammates and others.

I think part of the reason he radicalized is because of how crazy people responded to kneeling. It was supported whatever bias he had against America. He probably felt misunderstood too, which just fueled his desire to make a further statement.
 
If everyones' views are on equal footing then people should be allowed to sing or not sing, stand or sit or kneel, as long as no one is disrupting or harming someone else.
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People in the stands can do this all they want and nobody will care. It's different when you are making your employer look bad. The NFL told Tim Tebow to knock it off when he was kneeling in prayer, why then allow Kaepernick his show? When they told the Dallas Cowboys, who I have never been a fan of, that they could not put a sticker on their helmets to honor the 5 Dallas PD who were killed by a BLM sniper, that's when I left them and I have never looked back. Their position on Kaepernick has only further highlighted their hypocrisy.
 
F every grandstanding preening POS business and sport that gives in to these terrorist and extortionist. I've got a list a mile long of places that will no longer get my money. I have a list of actors I will no longer watch their movies and TV shows.

If/When Trump wins, we will have a full blown Civil War on our hands. It's going to get ugly folks.
 
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