Santa Claus Should Not Be a White Man Anymore

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Fox News' Megyn Kelly is, according to the front page of Yahoo, embroiled in "racial controversy" because she had the courage to say that the gist of this article in Slate Magazine (whatever that is) is (paraphrasing) stupid.

The article by someone called Aisha Harris, basically says that Santa should be black and so should Jesus.
Megyn just pointed out that both are based on historical characters that were not black.

Apparently when the Left wants to change our culture willy nilly, you are a racist if you try to argue their point rationally.

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Harris' article was stupid. Who cares what color Santa Claus is? I hate to break this to everybody, but there is no Santa Claus, and elves don't make our kids' toys. Little Chinese slave laborers do. There is no sleigh flown by eight tiny reindeer. It's just a story. Hell, when I was a little kid in Oakland, I was photographed sitting on the lap of a black female Santa Claus (no **** - totally true). Santa Claus is the color (or sex) of the person the store decided to hire to put on the friggin' costume.

Saint Nicholas (the real guy) was Greek. He probably had fairly light skin, but he probably did't look Nordic or anything one would definitively call "white."

As for Jesus, he was an ethnic Jew, and not the kind that's been lightened by generations of mixing with Poles, Russians, and Germans. He was probably quite dark - good chance he looked a little like Osama Bin Laden. But if you're a Christian, does that matter? He could have been white as rice or black as the ace of spades, and it wouldn't make him any more or less the Messiah.

This whole issue is just complete idiocy - hypersensitive, race-obsessed ******** from the Left and stupidity from the Right.
 
Pretty clear that in the context of the discussion, she was trying to make the point that it's ridiculous to feel the need to compel people to change how a person has been perceived. The idea that Santa needs to be black (or not white) sparked the rest of the discussion, and the larger point should have been to question why a figure can't be compelling and relatable across cultural lines due to his skin color - which is apparently what the original author believes.

Megyn stepped in it a little with the comments about Jesus, and while I have some suspicions of what she meant, I can't presume to know why she said it. My guess is that if you went back to her with a follow-up of "you don't think Jesus would have been more of a middle-eastern coloring", she would like say "well, sure." The discussions around Jesus' ethnicity tend to focus on people trying to claim he was black - and that may be why it popped into her head at this particular time.

The argument being pressed by many would seem to indicate that if I'm making a movie about vikings, it's not really appropriate that they should all be white because now countries are much more racially diverse than they were back then.
 
The irony of all this to me is that in an age of diversity and multiculturalism where we are told to value and treasure our differences, we're told now that in fact we can't expect certain cultures (i.e. ones adopted and cultivated by people with white skin) to be acceptable or adoptable across cultural lines (even though they have already been accepted and adopted in the past), and that the idea of a white Santa Claus is divisive and exclusive to minorities (which I'm sure is exactly what they had in mind back when the whole Father Christmas thing came into being...)
 
And as usual, you're unwilling to actually engage in a discussion about it. But then, your MO has always been personal attacks and not a whole lot else.
 
Clean, one can't help but wonder if you read the article because you started this thread by saying the author stated Santa and Jesus should be black -- and of course she didn't say either of those things.

I think it is a whole to do about nothing, but I hate it more when a poster such as yourself feels the need to distort things from the beginning.
 
Please Chango, don't cry. I'll admit Jesus wasn't mentioned in the Slate article. I jumbled the Megyn piece, the Yahoo article, and the Slate article together in my hastily constructed sentence. There, feel better?

But, you are very wrong if you feel it is much ado about nothing. It's about the revisionist Left changing our history and our culture to conform with their view of what it should be, not what is was.
 
You blatantly quote mine and then want to "engage" someone?

Her point was that Santa Claus should have some form of universal appeal and that the prevalence of a white Santa could cause some confusion (Santa should theoretically be a fairly dark skinned Greek male).

This hardly seems some novel or radical idea particularly since her point about the anglofication of Santa and Jesus is well taken (and rather obvious).

Additionally, you gloss over Kelly's completely false assertion that Jesus was white. This was a completely false and outrageous statement on her part. It is the only eye rolling deal in this little tempest in a teapot.

I wonder why you want to change the focus to Santa and quote mine? This subject is mind-numbingly boring although I do find you guys' ability to miss the point interesting.

Some more of her point to miss ...

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Prodigal, what should we engage in a discussion about -- the article, the video, or the original post? Because those 3 things could not be more different.

ARTICLE – Santa should be a penguin.

VIDEO – The article is stupid; Santa was a white man – just like Jesus.

OP – The article says Santa and Jesus should be black. The courageous lady in the video is taking heat because she said Santa and Jesus were not black

When you point out the multiple glaring inaccuracies like this, you are told to “stop crying”. As if ‘facts’ don’t matter and only a baby would try to bring it back to the facts.

My point is that this is how most threads go on West Mall. You would think the original poster would have the responsibility of at least starting with the facts and letting a discussion emerge. Most posts start with flames like Clean’s and deteriorate from there.
 
Was I the only one who read the article as a joke, delivered with tongue firmly planted in cheek? Surely Aisha Harris doesn't actually believe that we should reconceive Santa Claus as a penguin. If you accept that premise and reread the article, I think you will agree with me that it is rather clever.
 
Yo. Santa can be any color you want him to be. So stop it! Why the hell should anyone care what color Santa is?!!? Including Miss Pin-up Fox Anchor Megyn Kelly.

And Jesus was a Jew. Born between Israel and Jordan. As previously posted, probably darker olive complexion.

And news alert: Jesus and Santa don't have a connection.

OBTW, if I, or anyone else who may be speaking to the masses, i.e., The White House or a poster on an internet message board, it is perfectly okay to say Happy Holidays since I have no idea what you believe or don't believe.

Alright, get back to more important things.

Hook'em!!!
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anybody notice how they kept portraying Nelson Mandela as a black guy all week long? I thought that was kind of sad: what about all his white admirers? Don't they feel kind of left out? Couldn't there be just an occasional picture of him as Chinese or white? WTF?

Meanwhile In Korea: the supposed godlike leader supposedly just had his uncle executed because of an alleged attempted coup. Killing your uncle is kind of standard in modern governance if you don't have any prisons I guess but these looney mofos have nuclear weapons; what if they decide we aren't trustworthy?

Makes Jesus and Santa's pigmentation kind of superfluous, no?
 
Blacks voted for Obama at something like a high 90% clip in the last election.

Let that context marinate for a while when reading this author's opinion about Saint Nick.
 
Actually it was 93% in 2012 after being in 95% in 2008, which is 3% points more than Mondale and Gore got in their elections. So how should that additional context marinate while reading the author's opinion about Saint Nick?
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MEGYN KELLY: They have a piece that Santa Claus shouldn't be a white man anymore. Yet another person saying it's racist to have a white Santa. By the way, for the kids at home, Santa just is white but this person is arguing that maybe we should also have a black Santa. Santa is what he is and we are debating this because someone wrote about it.

Jedediah, when I read the piece, the author seems to have -- you know, she's African-American. She seems to have real pain at having grown up with the image of a white Santa. She speaks honestly saying I didn't understand why that had to be.

JEDEDIAH BILA, Fox News contributor: She wants Santa to be inclusive. I had the same reaction. Initially I was thinking this is more politically correct nonsense, hyper sensitivity in the culture. It's a tribute to her writing. You realize if you were a young African-American kid and your Santa Claus was white, maybe you wouldn't feel a part of the tradition. She suggested a penguin should be Santa.

KELLY: She goes off the rails.

BILA: It's interesting to have an animal which is something that kids love, bricks the cartoonish quality into it and makes kids feel welcome in the process.

KELLY: No, no.

BILA: I see where she was going.

KELLY: No, no. It makes all birds feel welcome.

BILA: Kids like penguins.

KELLY: I have given her due on where she was going with it. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change. Jesus was a white man, too. He was a historical figure. That's a verifiable fact -- as is Santa. I want the kids to know that. How do you revise it in the middle of the legacy of the story and change Santa from white to black.

MONICA CROWLEY, Fox News contributor: You can't. First of all, the penguin never would work. A penguin cannot lug the gifts around the world.

KELLY: They are from the South Pole. Santa is from the north.

CROWLEY: You're right. Santa Claus is based on St. Nicholas who was a person, a Greek bishop, a white man.

KELLY: Look. How can he be alienating?

CROWLEY: How cute is he? You can't take facts and try to change them to fit some kind of political agenda or sensitivity agenda.

KELLY: Bernard, quick last word.

BERNARD WHITMAN (Democratic strategist): I think that it's fine for Santa to be represented as a tradition white man, but I also think that if people want to represent him as an African-American male, a drag queen, I think our social fabric --

KELLY: You had to go there.

WHITMAN: I don't think a society going to break up if people respond to Santa in different ways.

KELLY: Thank you for that, Bernard. Thank you panel.
 
Obama also had a huge african american turnout compared to gore and mondale. African americans have a very different opinion of obama's job performance than the non-african american population. Maybe race clouds their objectivity.
 
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