Running list of loose ends on Lost

Im pretty sure the flame arrows were the Others..

And the Dr. that delivers Claires baby in the states in Ethan, one of the originial "others".

I believe someone stated before, we are believed to be seeing 2 time lines.. 1 from the island.. and 1 if they never made it to the island.

And IMO, its awesome.

I really want to see Locke get surgery from Jack and fix his spine.. This side of the story is almost a whole new show.. Its pretty bad ***.
 
So Ben is in the alternate/parallel universe.... Does that mean he never went to the island because the hatch was never made? I don't get why he's in the parallel universe.
 
Ben's appearance in the flash sideways is troubling, and I'm not sure how to reconcile it. The Ben who teaches HS, is the same one (presumably) which was shot by Sayid and 'resurrected' (and thus changed forever) by The Others. That said, it WAS funny.
 
With regard to the Jacob/Easu/Old Testament themes, did anyone else read anything into Not-Locke and Sawyer descending the ladders to Jacob's cave--i.e., Jacob's Ladder?
 
The latin chick who came to protect Jacob said in the last episode that non-Locke can not transform any more? Did I hear that right?
 
She said that he couldn't take the form of another person. He can definitely still transform into the smoke monster, but not into another human shape.

We also saw that there is a force on the island more powerful than Not-Locke, when the boy confronted him. My favorite part of that confrontation was when Not-Locke yells "Don't tell me what I can't do"... Locke's often repeated line. We already know that Not-Locke was aware of specifically what went through Locke's mind as he died. Since Not-Locke can't leave the island, I found it curious as to how he would know this. Now that Not-Locke is spouting Lockeisms, it seems clear that Not-Locke has not just taken Locke's form but absorbed some part of him into himself. This may mean that Not-Locke is not in complete control of himself anymore.

Just a thought.
 
When I said that sentence, I meant to say that the reason why Not-Locke wasn't in complete control was because Locke was demonstrating some sort of control (or at least influence) over him. I don't think, or at least I don't see how, that would have anything to do with Claire or Sayid. Though my assertion that it is specifically Locke related is not actually established, which means you may well be right.

I'm more inclined to believe that Clair and Sayid are showing the symptoms of the same disease which claimed Rousseau's party. That sickness has always been an outlier since as far as we can tell they are the only people who ever had it. Frankly, until last season, I believe that Rousseau simply went crazy and then made that story up, because we just hadn't seen it anywhere else.

Since Not-Locke is the "dark influence" on the island, it is tempting to blame him for the sickness... but I keep coming back to the fact that Smokey killed Montand (a 'sick' person) violently at the Temple wall. Why would he kill someone he was influencing? It doesn't make sense.

In my mind, the major loose ends are these:

-If Jacob and Not-Locke are following certain rules, then what are they and who set them?

-The island exhibits many physical characteristics which seem to have nothing to do with Jacob and Not-Locke, including the time discrepancy, magnetic extremes and the presumed side-effects it has on humans (the sickness, Locke walking, Fatal pregnancies, Rose's cancer, etc)... what and why?

-If Jacob and Not Locke are the primary players, then what roll does fellow immortal Richard, play. Richard seems to be "younger" and certainly less included than Jacob or not-Locke but who/what he is is entirely unestablished.

-If there are six relevant numbers and the significance of those numbers are that they correspond to six oceanic survivors, then why did the numbers end up on the hatch door which was Dharma not Jacob and what do those numbers have to do with computer in the Swan and the magnetic disturbance, since their stamping on the hatch PREDATED the knowledge of the magnetic disturbance? I'm presuming that the numbers appearing in the broadcast was directly related to the swan, since both are Dharma.

-If Jacob's purpose to crashing the plane was to collect the six... then why was Kate required to come back from the "future"? She seems extraneous at this point... as does Claire, Charlie, Boone, etc.



For reference, here is the list we saw this week:
* 4 - Locke
* 8 - Reyes
* 15 - Ford
* 16 - Jarrah
* 23 - Shephard
* 42 - Kwon
 
P.S. How do we account for some of the significant plot differences preceding the flight in the alternate dimension in which Oceanic Flight 815 ultimately did not crash?

(1) We don't know whether Hurley used "the numbers" to win the lottery, but we know that he now considers himself "the luckiest man in the world" as opposed to believing that he is cursed. He is also much more confident and self-assured and is apparently investing his money much more prudently. Why?

(2) Locke's fiance, Helen (a/k/a Peg Bundy), mentions inviting Locke's father to their wedding. So, in the alternate dimension, Locke is still paralyzed and in the wheelchair, but he apparently has a healthy enough relationship with his father that they are inviting him to their wedding. So, did Locke's dad not push him out the window and cause his paralysis in that dimension?

(3) Kate apparently was wanted for killing someone other than her lecherous step-father.

(4) Desmond was on Flight 815.

Despite these differences, many of the basic plot lines preceding the crash remained the same, e.g., Hurley winning the lottery, Jack being a spinal surgeon, Kate being in custody for murder, Locke being paralyzed, Boone going to Australia to retrieve Shannon, Jack going to Australia to retrieve Christian's body, Jin and Sun fleeing Korea (and being estranged), etc.

So, how do we explain the subtle differences in the plot before they all got on board Oceanic Flight 815?
 
RE: PFD post #1
Remember, the 'sickness" that Rousseau cites is not a physical malady, but a mental one. They became paranoid and started to kill each other. When we actually saw them in the past, the illness seemed more of a malevolence. The sickness caused these people to act against their character and essentially turned them into psychopaths. The reason why Dogen wants to kill Sayid, is that he is the LAST person you want to seeking to do you harm. He is dangerous when he is sane, but with the crazy sickness he would be quite scary.

I don't presume that the sickness is either from Not-Locke or Jacob, as there seems to be other forces at work on the island, this could be one of them. Certainly Jacob seems to not want Sayid to have the illness since he warned Dogen in the Ankh, and Not-Locke's only interaction with a person with this sickness was to violently kill them. I'm voting for this simply being a property of the island.

RE: PFD post #2

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Interesting points, and an excellent summary.

Some comments:
My feeling is that the not-locke has always felt trapped; that his frustration is equivalent to that of Locke's. My impression is that not-locke has never truly had control of events - that he tries to do things, but is only allowed to achieve things (i.e. Jacob allowed him the loophole to put in motion the events that will necesitate the list).

Why does Jacob need a list? What is the purpose of those people?

The numbers also were being murmured by an asylum inmate where Hurley found out about them, and then they were chosen in the lottery. Sounds like the machinations of Jacob.

Regarding Kate, I suspect that she is the main tool that Jacob has in store to effect whatever outcome he intends with the list - probably to leverage Sawyer and Jack against one another and to provide a foil to Sayid.

Just my .02

btw - suppose that it's obvious now that it's been mentioned, but interesting that the characters are connected irrespective of the island.

The consequent thought is, does the alternate timeline basically make the island adventure an "alternate reality" or, basically, a fantasy? a what could have happened?
 
Being too lazy to look it up - have we accounted for all the numbers?

I'm assuming the child vision that not-Locke saw was Jacob, or at least some manifestation of him. It's pretty clear that there's still some sort of control over him, something he needs to achieve, since he's "recruiting" now. I would assume there's something he has to accomplish with the people on the list - and it was interesting that Jacob said "remember the rules, you can't kill him" in reference to Sawyer. So apparently Esau's plan would work out just fine with Sawyer getting killed, for what that's worth. Could that be the challenge? After all, Jacob already told the temple people that if Sayid died, they were all in a lot of trouble. I think we can presume that's the case if any of the number people die.
 
Who is really the 'good guys'? The original Locke side that was 'pro-island' or the Jack types that were for going home.

It appears that Flocke is now the bad guy but do we REALLY know that?

I still think that somehow its gonna be an overarching religious story. We've already noted the Esau and Jacob theory. Their was also a joseph and Benjamin motif when Locke was placed in the pit by Benjamin. (somewhat paralleling the biblical story of Joseph)

So is Flocke Satan or Judas? He thinks he has won and can escape earth(island) where he now rules... only to later see Jacob 'risen'? Basically Flocke is just a pawn that Jacob allowed to take over Locke and kill him to suit a higher purpose??
 
One problem with "the rules" is that there are at least two sets and they may or may not be related. There are the Essau/Jacob rules and the Widmore/Ben rules. Given that Ben had never met Jacob and doesnt seem to have any idea what is going on now would argue that the two sets of rules are mutually exclusive.
 
In the blown up island timeline, has it been stated that Hurley won the lottery? I don't think it is clear in that timeline that he won the lottery. He could just be a successful business man. The whole suit and tie, temp agency thing has me thinking he did not win the lottery in that timeline.
 
I don't think this is a Jacob/Esau story...more like an Egyptian thing....Anubis and his rival god, especially since that huge statue was definitely an Egyptian thing and there were hieroglyphics in the temple.
 
Right when we think we have things figured out... we get a curve ball.

They led us believe that everything was about the hatch. But now we see that was just a minor part of dharma. Then it was ALL about ben and the others... Now we see that Ben was powerless. Then it was all about time travel... that now appears to be nothing compared to the Jacob storyline. My guess is that the last episode will be how jacob and every other thing is just somebody else's pawn in an even bigger game.

Its an aristotle thing.. "the wisest among us are those that admit they know nothing." Point being that we are all 'lost' because we all just have one piece of the puzzle and we are dependent upon others to reveal truth to us. Problem is that we never TRULY know if all or just part of the truth is revealed to us. We are all on different plains of knowledge but ultimately still LOST.

I just think as this thread shows there are too many plotlines left for them to wrap them all up. The point will be something like i wrote above and leave more things unanswered. (sure we might know who the smoke-monster was and different things will get revealed, but we'll still not have the big picture like we'll all want)
 
Maybe Essau/non-Locke will turn out to be some manifestation of Widmore who now has the power to alter himself to look like Locke and take over Smokey....
Just sayin........
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The impression that I get is that Jacob and Not-Locke are not eternal figures. There is something about this island which transcends their powers. Jacob 'protects' the island not just as his home but as a place with its own inherent properties. It is not clear what purpose Not-Locke serves, but it is clear that in Jacob's mind that they are "mirrored" entities. We keep getting the "white/black" image, even so far as to put the two stones on a scale. The impression I get from that is that Jacob does not view himself as good and Not-Locke as bad per se, but rather that they are balancing forces, which together keep the island in check.

I keep coming back to the boy who Not-Locke saw last week. He could have been talking about any number of things, but it is not entirely clear that the boy was meant to be Jacob... and if he wasn't, then we have to wonder who else is managing "the rules" if not Jacob.

I liked the introduction of the lighthouse, in as much as it explains specifically why the individual is matched with the number... but it is not clear why these number in specific have been repeated for decades, to the exclusion of the other numbers (or perhaps The Other's numbers). Also, I think there is some ambiguity here which needs to be addressed as well. "Shepard" corresponded to Jack's childhood home... which is actually Christian's home, not Jack's. If the only thing which is matched up is the last name, then it is not safe to assume that they are referencing who we think they are referencing.

Next week looks like a doozy.
 
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