Rebuilding the Big 12 Conference

obsessedhorn: What you really asking "Texas" and "OU" to do is to go to schools like ND, FSU, and Miami, and say, "Come join our league to play us, and oh yea, you'll make a lot less money, too."

If you were being recruited for employment, and a guy said, "sure you can work for X, but if you come to work for us, doing the exact same thing, we're willing to pay you a lot less money!", which job would you pick?

As Texas people, we still have got to live in the real world. If you want ND, FSU, or Miami, you're going to have to get back to 12, start making alot of money, and in 15-30 years, if you continue to make a lot of money, then maybe a ND, FSU, or Miami will join.

That's just the reality of the situation. "Thinking big" in the situation the B12 finds itself in today is just another term for "delusional thinking."

There aren't a lot of options. That's just it.

Texas has many options if it wants to join another conference. Texas has very few options if it wants to rebuild the B12.
 
ND, Miami , etc are not current options. As of 9/23 the following are the only current option we realistically may have:
BYU- would take
Rutgers-maybe for NYC market-yes
Wv-football history->50%
New Mexico-not until they can win 5 games/yr in a bad conf- NO
Ucf- Orlando, large studen body, young Program, not much history - >50%
Louisville - mid major , great basketball, - maybe later
UH- not a fan, they don't bring much to the table
Rice- academics and baseball but same as UH
Tcu- maybe but we already have Dallas , just to keep them away from sec?
Smu- no , and a hell no to Craig James!
Boise- not a fan of such a small market, not a travel city. No
 
Seems to me that if we're looking to take some iffy schools - academically speaking - in to build a conference, we may as well join the SEC.

Although we'll have an easier path to the championship if we set up our own table.
 
Isn't there a provision in the Big 12 TV contract that states that we have to have a minimum of 10 teams - or the contract is voided? If Aggy leaves, we are at 9 and the SH_ _ hits the fan, so adding a replacement member to take aggy's place HAS to happen and it has to happen pretty quickly. So you have to look at teams that are flexible enough to be able to join next year - that list definitely includes BYU, and MIGHT include TCU - simply because TCU has not joined the Big East yet, and the Big East is fading fast.

Now Missouri is making some noise about leaving. Their news conference last night was not exactly a "one for all and all for one" pep rally for the Big 12. If aggy and Mizzou both leave - then we are back to square one....
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I guess I don't accept that the Fla schools in the ACC would make less money by coming to the Big 12. If the options for keeping the Big 12 in tact really are only some of the schools mentioned here, then I am not sure it's worth saving. I mean, why become the Big East or the Mountain West? Depressing.
 
BYU would be a good choice. BYU said a few weeks ago that they would join the Big 12 if OU re-committed to the conference (hopefully they are not turned off by the Big 12's instability at this point). They traveled very well to Austin two weeks ago and we played a great game with them. BYU would give the Big 12 a better foothold in the Rocky Mountain region, and with BYU's LDS ties, it might also give the Big 12 a little more exposure at a national level.

TCU would also be a good choice. They're a solid team--defending Rose Bowl Champions--and they played a great game with Baylor on opening weekend. Maybe TCU will be interested in coming to the Big 12 instead of the Big East because the Big 12 is in their backyard and the Big East is also going through some turmoil. It also gives the Big 12 another game in Texas (i.e.- another game that would be easier for me to travel to).

I would be pleased with adding either BYU or TCU to bring the Big 12 back to ten. BYU, TCU, and A&M each have one football National Championship, so it's an even swap in that sense.
 
Great point, aggsuk. Interesting. Don't know the answer.

I see, obsessedhorn. Think of the states in the ACC. Now think of the states in the B12, plus, let's pretend, FSU joins, bringing in FL.

There's no way the B12 deal would be more valuable than the ACC's deal, just looking at the TV sets.

Also, money does not factor in the massive instability of the B12 either.

Say you have choice: You can stay with your friend Smith or your friend Jones. At Smith's house there's always bickering and fighting, people getting mad and leaving. At Jones' house, everyone's all mellow, they cook-out and watch the games. Which one do you want to stay at?
 
The Big 12 is worth trying to save imo.
Since the beginning of the Big 12:
UT and OU are as good or better than they have ever been. How many time times were we both top 10 at the RRS?
Tech is better than they have ever been by a long stretch.
A&M and Baylor are on their way up.
A couple of years ago Kansas and Mizzou were #1 and #2 when they played.
Iowa State is about as good as they have ever been.
OSU is better than they ever been.
Kansas State, Nebraska and Colorado were on a downward spiral since they were good in the 90's Maybe that's why two of them left.

It just seems to me that after the sheep jump the fence for greener pastures, we could add three quality teams and keep playing. I know many of you hate TCU, but I think they would be the best addition. After that, Boise and BYU would be my choices.
 
Whether we add BYU and/or drowning rats from the sinking Big East football dinghy, or no one at all, they need to rename it the Big 1-2 Conference.
 
After we're through being experts fixing this topic, then we can proceed to fixing the economy, fiat currency, banking, immigration, US southern borders, drug traffic, unemployment and the Middle East crisis.
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It is clear to me from the new commish's press conference today that we won't get an answer for probably a couple weeks. The ADs meet next Tues/Wed to iron out their compromises. I suspect that will be equal revenue sharing for tier 1 and tier 2 plus no high school on the LHN, even highlights. Only then will each school start taking it to their boards for approval to sign over their media rights. Then the commish says he wants to visit all the schools including A&M to see if he might convince them to stay. I see expansion being slow for a couple weeks.
 
westexas: Here's the thing -- The Big 12 is the Big 12 in name only. The Big 12 is not really the Big 12 if it doesn't include NU, CU, A&M, and maybe MU is going, too. Oh, there's this conference called the "Big 12," sure, but it doesn't even have twelve teams in it. It has 9 teams, and maybe only 8 soon.Fact is the "old" Big 12 is gone for the rest of time. No amount of anxiety or wishing or hoping is ever going to bring it back.

Oh, a conference called the "Big 12" will go on, apparently, but it is nothing like the "old" Big 12. It will be a conference something close to the Big East and not in a category with the ACC, PAC, SEC, or B1G.

In fact, it looks like many of the "prime" candidates for membership will come from the Big East. If it looks like a duck, walks like a ...?

Texas deserved to be in the "old" B12. The new "B12" does not deserve a Texas. Truth is, the B12 is broken. BYU can't fix it. Air Force can't fix it. Nor Louiville, nor Central Florida, nor TCU, nor .... need I go on?

Truth is, it's very close to the time for Texas to move on. It's hurts like leaving someone you love, but it is what it is.

Third Coast: No lie.

Hu Fan: I solve the easy problems on other boards, but only on Tuesdays.

OrangeHair: Well, at least the guy is trying.
 
Count me as another person not understanding why USF isn't being considered here.
It is clear they are an up and coming school, best to get them now and allow them to grow. Lots of TV sets.

I also vote for UCF being added and BYU. That would be as decent a conference as it was previously, maybe not history wise but pretty strong.
 
Big 12 needs to be proactive and adds more teams. I would prefer picking up a team like Louisville or West Virginia from the Big East than BYU. Heck, we can add all threes and go back to 12 in 2013. I don't mind picking up Texas based programs to close the border to the SEC. If Texas schools are in the same conference, you will dominate media coverage in the state. Also, geography also helps to strengthen conference stability. For the Big 12, expand or die. IMO.

List of schools to add:
Louisville (decent football, great bball)
West Virginia (decent football and bball)
BYU (decent fb and bball, network)
TCU (good fb, Texas based)
South Florida
Central Florida
University of Houston ( Tier 1 program, decent Fball, storied bball)
Notre Dame (pipe dream)
 
In rebuilding the Big XII, the first priority really needs to be the athletes and parents. Most recruits want to play closer to home and most parents want to be able to see as many of their games as possible.

I think the conference must stay in the same time zone as much as possible, maybe with the exception of BYU. But no one should have to travel over SEC country to see their son play a conference road game.
 
Great effort, XOVER. I'll have to come back later to read in full and digest. Just glanced down the post.
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You know, Hu Fan, you bring up a really excellent point: At what point do things turn soulless?I made my first Texas game with my Dad in 1963 and watched Texas beat Rice. I decided when I left the stadium that day that I was going to go to The University of Texas. And so I did.

I enjoyed going to games as a student, watching Earl Campbell run roughshod on the field, and then talking to Earl after the games on campus.

Changes were happening at Texas as I was student. Title IX came in. To this day many people disparage Title IX. "Socialism," some say. Times change.

When I started a family, I took my oldest daughter (and later, her sister) to Texas' games as she grew up. She was there as a baby when Texas beat Houston in 1990. She was there when Texas opened B12 play. Times change.

And now, this year, my oldest daughter is a student at The University of Texas. My youngest daughter says she will follow her sister to Texas after graduation. Can you imagine how that makes me feel?

And now, because of Title IX, my oldest daughter can participate in women's athletics. No, those athletics don't draw the kind of interest that football does. There aren't filled stadiums and the glamor of football. And so some say women's athletics should be disbanded. You see, they don't pay for themselves.

I believe Texas is more than just money. I believe Texas is about growing young people into good adults. About giving them different perspectives, ideas, and yes, participation in athletic endeavors.

Most of those athletic endeavors don't make money. But they grow students. I like them. I hope they can be maintained. I hope Texas can continue to pay for them.

While some say it is soulless for Texas to be smart and use its football program to make money, you are right, I am not one of those. I know how important it is to give other students athletic opportunities, not just football players. I live it everyday through my family.

When Texas changed conferences in 1992, it did not affect my love, or my little girls' love, for the University. It has made no difference to my children whether Texas played TCU, SMU, Houston, or whether we played Kansas, Missouri, or Iowa State. But that change sure made Texas a lot more money. Needed money.

When Texas is forced to make more changes as realignment continues -- make no mistake change is coming -- that change will not cause my children angst when Texas plays, say, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, or Notre Dame. Those kinds of teams and that kind of conference, for example, will make Texas a lot more money.

A lot more money so that my girls, and their kids, and their kid's kids, and your kids, can grow into the best people The University of Texas can mold them into. Money to give them more opportunities, better professors, facilities, and athletics.

To that change you say soulless. And to that change I say love. Because money is what you make of it, just like all of life. You see, for me and my family, The University of Texas is an extended part of our family. Change is inevitable, it is the only constant, the great paradox.

The University of Texas is, indeed, hallowed ground. And if you want to keep it hallowed, you better be willing to pay for it. All of it. I am willing. I have a feeling you are, too. Times change.
 
The OP has been completely re-thought. Eighteen different potential Big 12 members have been analyzed along with links to pictures of their football stadiums, official athletic webpages, ESPN links, Wikipedia, and more. Baylor has also been examined as to its contribution to the B12, and whether it makes sense to replace Baylor with, say, Rice or Houston.

After examining lots of the information about all 19 schools, it will become very clear why BYU is the number one target of the Big 12, even though it is located far out in the fringe of a future Big 12, in the undesirable Mountain Time Zone, and yet BYU remains, nonetheless, the top B12 target.

All 19 schools are discussed, and, given the strength of BYU as an addition to the B12, you can see why the door may suddenly be cracked open for a school like Boise State or Air Force to become a member of the B12.

You simply need to scroll down to the sections where the schools are discussed. Enjoy.
 
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