Rebuilding the Big 12 Conference

XOVER

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PrologueI took some time over the past several days to concentrate on one of my favorite pastimes: College football realignment. The following is my analysis (with input from this board) of how to rebuild the Big 12 since it appears that Texas may be dead-set on trying to rebuild the B12. This version of the analysis is as of Wednesday, October 2, 2011.After having taken into account your responses, ideas, and criticisms, and the continued development of my own ideas, the order of the list of potential list of schools to be added to the Big 12 has shifted and changed significantly. Based upon your excellent insights, BYU, WV, and USF have been upgraded to the Big 12's number one, two and three expansion candidates, respectively.

The possibility of adding either Boise State or Air Force as a regional partner for BYU has caused those schools’ fortunes to rise. If you have read this analysis earlier, you might want to scan various sections to see if your opinion has changed or might become more focused.

As some of you know, my preference is joining the SEC or the B1G. But I am not in charge. For those who disagree, I understand. I have included a section toward the end that attempts to glean why Texas stays in the B12 for the short run, while possibly plotting its escape in the long run.

This analysis is quite long, so you are duly warned. If you don’t like long reads, then this post is not for you. Hope you enjoy!

Rebuilding the Big 12 Conference: Not for the Faint at Heart


By all accounts, Texas hopes to rebuild the Big 12 Conference and make it viable, presumably to approximate the "old" Big 12 Conference, which was one of the strongest and best athletic conferences in the nation. These lofty goals cannot be achieved in the short run, given the schools that are available with which to rebuild the B12. The long-run is discussed hereafter, but first, we have to assess the existing condition of the Big 12 Conference.

Assessing the Damage: Is the Ship Sinking?


In the last two years the Big 12 lost the top two teams in the Northern Division: Nebraska and Colorado. This year the Big 12 lost the number three team in the Southern Division: Texas A&M.

In football terms, the loss of Nebraska constituted the loss of a traditional major power in college football -- a school that has won numerous National Championships spanning several decades. While "down" for several years, Colorado won a National Championship in 1990. Both Colorado and Texas A&M have won Big 12 Championships. In other words, the loss of these three schools is dramatic and significant.

While the Big 12 is left with indisputable national powers Texas and Oklahoma, which gives the Big 12 a strong nucleus for rebuilding the conference, the re-stocking of the B12 conference with schools equivalent to those lost is impossible in the near term (for reasons discussed in greater detail below). The rebuilding of the Big 12 Conference into the conference it was before 2010 is, therefore, problematic and possibly quixotic.

The Rebuilding Methodology: The Texas Two-Step


If rebuilding is be accomplished at all, it must be accomplished over a period of 15-30 years, entail some luck along the way, and involve two separate stages:In reply to:



 
The thing that is hardest to predict is who would become more powerful by virtue of being in a major conference with more tv exposure, more fans at games, more inroads into major recruiting hotbeds, etc. If you gave New Mexico a decade in a BCS conference and made Kansas State or Missouri spend a decade in the sunbelt, what would happen?

Side note: screw UCF since their fanbase is on a level with Ohio State's as far as ****** treatment of visitors.

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Thanks for your thoughts, not bad work for 10 minutes of writing.
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I always thought that Air Force would be great addition because it would get the Big 12 back into Colorado, is located in a gorgeous area, and is a well respected service academy (if not an athletic powerhouse). And I thought TCU would be a good addition since it would actually pose a real threat to OU and Texas on the field (bringing to mind DKR's quote about the cockroach Frogs).

But your point about Rice being necessary to defend the gates of Houston against the barbarians of the SEC is well taken.
 
Go big or go home!

Move OU to the north and add, Cincy, L' Ville, and WVU

add AF, BYU, TCU, and USF to south

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I really liked your analysis. However, I'm basically pessimistic about the long-term viability of the Big 12. I believe that the super conference concept has momentum and will lead eventually to the departures of OU, Mizzou, KU and probably another school such as OSU or Iowa State. At some point, UT has to see that the writing is on the wall, cut its losses, and either pursue independence or seek membership in the PAC or B1G (my 1st choice as well).

The SEC, B1G, ACC, and SEC are steadily growing stronger while the Big 12 is getting weaker. Apparently, the Big 12 has no choice now but to patch together a conference by adding mid-majors and/or geographic outliers like West Virginia. We're slowly regressing back to something akin to the old SWC. As we learned from our time in the SWC, conference strength matters when it comes to recruiting and prestige.

Dodds and Powers appeared gleeful when they announced that UT is going to stay in the Big 12. Maybe they're happy because they can minimize LHN concessions and postpone making a very difficult and politically explosive decision about long-term conference affiliation. I personally believe that they're in denial about the level of instability in the Big 12. The openings in the super conferences are limited in number and these conferences aren't going to perpetually reserve a place for Texas. We may end up in a situation in which independence is the only viable option.
 
I don't think we need to add rice as a poland to the SEC's Russia (does that make us Germans?).

We already play them every year, and they will continue to do so. We are the only fanbase in the Big 12 that gets the MOB's jokes. We get the benefits that you list of them being in the conference without having them in the conference.

Interesting thoughts on UCF, Rutgers, UCONN. I like UCF for sure. Also, regarding teams like Boise State that are good recently but not traditionally, teams like that generally rise with the hiring of a good coaching staff, and decline when a bigger school in a major conference hires away that staff. If they get into a major conference, that becomes less likely to happen.
 
Go big or go home!

Move OU to the north and add, Cincy, L' Ville, and WVU

add AF, BYU, TCU, and USF to south
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Yes put ou in the north,play them only every other year.
 
I'm biased. Living in Cinci, I would LOVE to add Lou-uh-vul, UC and WVU. What?? I can actually go to a game within driving distance?? I'll take it.
 
Does anyone have a list of the 64 top programs in the nation overall? Take the list and subtract SEC, B1G, PAC, and ACC teams. Whoever is left, you invite to the BigXII and make it worth their while.
 
What about USF? They too have a large undergrad enrollment (35,000+) and similar location. The athletics and academics seem superior to UCF.
 
TCU because they belong.

Louisville becaus they seem to have a quality sports program.

Rice would be a lot of fun and it would piss off the Aggies for us to play in their back yard. Too bad Brenham doesn't have a suitable stadium like the Cotton Bowl, then we could play perennially close to B/CS.
 
I have to wonder what Bebee and his crew have been doing while the conference fell in around them. I don't agree with all of the ideas I am reading, but I haven't heard any ideas out of the B12 "leadership" during the departures of NU, CU and now aggy.

I also agree that you have to view every situation as an opportunity, and the B12 now has the opportunity to turn itself into the new thinking in conference structure. This is the time to make the structure of the conference much more appealing than the other conferences. There is so much money, and so many ways to generate it, that forward thinking could make the B12 the conference teams want to join, and if it is done correctly, we can grow those brands into national brands that draw audiences. Somebody who gets alol of this far better than I do needs to take this thing by the reins.
 
xover,
love the post and the thought that you put behind it. I do agree with most of what you are saying and how you are trying to expand the footprint of the big 12. few ?s
 
Good analysis.

My choices would be to pick up TCU, BYU, and Eastern Aggy (WVU). BYU would like the Tier III Longhorn model for sure. If we could pick up an annual Thanksgiving game with the Irish, the aggy's would be forgotten pretty quickly.
 
After reading ur post again, this would be the potential future of the big 12!! I would love it!!

1)Texas, TT, UCF, UH/Rice
2)Ou, Osu, Ksu, Kansas
Iowa st, Mizzou, BYU, Louisville
Rutgers, Uconn, ND, West Virgina
 
Unfortunately, outside of BYU and ND, there are no good choices. TCU, SMU, Houston, Rice, etc. will not help the conference and in the end cause revenue sharing issues with ou and Texas. You need teams that bring something (i.e. strong programs that can stand on their own). TCU has a 40k seat stadium; SMU's is 35k, Houston's is a high school quality (fits in with Cougar High) and Rice's, while originally 70k, has been greatly reduced by tarps, but it doesn't make any difference as 10k is a good crowd for their games. Playing with 5, 6, 7, or 8 in the current conference is preferable to any of these choices.

Yes a ND game on Thanksgiving would be great, but in order to do that ND has to juggle USC and Stanford (the PAC has granted a exemption for these games to continue in November, but when renewed they will be gone). Then you would have to get the Big 12 to move things around for a non-conference game in late November. Since everyone in the conference is so against Texas it is hard to see that accommodation.
 
I would also vote BYU, TCU, and WVU.

UCF is about dollars over history. Know nothing of their other programs. UConn and Rutgers bring little from a sports perspective other than basketball. I can't stand UConn basketball so that has no appeal. Their football program is about to hit a downward slide in my opinion.

I prefer the regional feel and another in-state game with easy travel access. For football, I prefer the more tradition rich programs too.
 
Here is the problem if the Big 12 going to 16 and we add the Texas teams of SMU, TCU, and Houston or Rice. If it was broken into four teams per pod then mostlikely it would be Missouri, K-State, Kansas, and Iowa St. Then another would be ND (longest of long shots.), BYU, and either a choice of several teams like the florida schools or rutgers to name a few. But here is where it gets tricky if we added Texas schools. OU and OSU is a must in the same pod and because of location you would think adding SMU and TCU. And of course Texas would get Tech, Baylor and one of the Houston schools. But that gives OU the Dallas market which won't work. That's why I feel it has to be 8 and 8 for the Big 16 if more Texas schools were added.
 
bunch of sheep headed off the cliff. Sorry, but this is ridiculous.

Smaller more nimble conferences are way better and I believe the future. Why in he!! would we want to tie ourselves to half these teams for eternity?? Smaller regional conferences playing two year grudge matches against other ones is the way to go and then moving on.

Just because it has been big conferences tied toghether for ever doesn't mean that we just keep getting bigger. Sit back, clear the table and start rebuilding the entire system form scratch. Now THAT is going BIG! I thought I was reading something out of the tax code for a while. Bolt this on here, that on there.......

You have a zillion tv networks and easy transportation so why in the heck do you want tie yourself down to teams which you have little to no interest in.

Beat up on your 6 closest neighbors and then the gang comes together, heads across town and takes on another neighborhood. Much more entertaining. And if it entertains, people will watch and networks will pay.
 
South Florida and UCF would bring two of the top 20 TV markets. Fan bases would grow and with the money and recruiting base they could become good programs. Don't know about the academics.
 
You put a lot of time and research into your post, and i respect that, but RICE? I am speechless that you say having a Houston team is mandatory, so you pick RIce over UH? UH would be a 5 times better selection than Rice. Rice brings zero history, zero passion, and zero TV. UH has pulled Big 12 type ratings in the Houston market over the last 5 years. A recent article in Forbes has all of the stats if you would like to look it up.

When UH plays RIce in Rice stadium, the UH fans outnumber the RIce fans about 3 or 4 to 1. Im talking about butts in seats, not season ticket numbers inflated by rich boosters. UH has a large amount of tailgating and passion for their team. Rice simply does not have that.

If it all comes down to TV ratings/market, UH should be the first target of the Big 12, if not the second after BYU. Houstonians will watch UH on TV, regardless of School Affiliation because they are the local boys, and their offense is fantastic to watch and has been since 2003.

And as far as Academics, UH is no slouch. The Cougar High nickname has for years falsely degraded a fantastic academic university.
 
USF would have to drop the
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as a condition of entry. You're a decent program now, come up with your own traditions. It was cute at first, but now it's just embarrassing.
 
The thing that bothers me about this discussion is that we always talk about things like "regional footprint" and "how many TV sets" we gain. I understand this is part of the so-called strategy, but this seems to miss a lot of what fans would really want. I mean why in the hell would we even seriously consider asking Rutgers, Rice, SMU, or UH?

Be aggressive and think big. UT and OU have enough clout to lure bigger names and create exciting match ups in a potential conference that woud draw national interest on a weekly basis, regardless of what region people live in. Make a hard run at Fla St, Miami, and ND and see what happens. Unlikely? Yeah, maybe, but why start out with expectations so low as the other teams mentioned. If they don't work look at Cincy, BYU, Louisville. Any college football fan in America would love to see TX/OU match-up with the Florida schools and/or ND...be aggressive and think big!
 
Obsessedhorn,
I think/hope that may be the plan in 6 years but in 2011, not any team u mentioned will come. Get the conf stable add the 1 big name u can get, BYU and then make it profitable for 6 years and the go try to get some teams.
Also that footprint, tv set is what will get u a possible Miami type team.
 

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