Rank the B12 right now...

1. OU
2. Texas
3. Baylor
4. Kansas
5. Texas A&M
6. Mizzou
7. Oklahoma State
8. Kansas State
9. Nebraska
10. Texas Tech
11. Iowa State
12. Colorado

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But I think Texas wins the league with something like a 13-3 or 12-4.
 
1. Texas
2. Kansas
3. OU
4. Baylor
5. Mizzou
6. Texas A&M
7. Oklahoma State
8. Kansas State
9. Nebraska
10. Texas Tech
11. Iowa State
12. Colorado
 
Why do even OU fans think UT is better, much less Kansas? OU is the best team in the conference right now. UT isn't necessarily ahead of Baylor, either. KU is nowhere close, they have two good players on the team and a bunch of crap after that...Tyshawn Taylor is okay but good God that team is lacking talent.
 
The OU guards are inconsistent. No one has lost faith in them or anything - they are simply not good enough, if we are talking about a deep run in the NCAAs or a regular season Big 12 title. OU also has a pretty weak 7-man rotation compared to the rest of the top 10 which will eventually show.
 
I'm only going to rank what I believe to be the top 5, as that's more or less all that's relevant and all I've seen for more than 2 minutes at a time.

Texas
OU
Baylor
A&M
Kansas.

I think A&M and KU are both going to make the tourney and neither is all that good. Baylor could be frisky and a sweet 16 type if it gets a good draw.

I see Texas and OU both being high seeds (1-3) and making the sweet 16 but crashing out of the tourney as soon as they play a good team. Based upon draws that could be round of 16 or round of 8 but I see no final four potential in either of them as I think both are better regular season teams then tourney teams.

A&M is severley uninteresting as a darkhorse to go far. I would love them as say a 7 through 10 seed if I were a 1 or 2 as I wouldn't lose a second of sleep over them.

In contrast to say, a Davidson team that I'd want no part of in the second round of the tourney if I were a 1 or 2 seed. Or Wisconsin or Washington State in years past. I want to stay away (in the second round if I'm a high seed) from any team who's best player can single handedly win a game or who does something unique stylistically. A&M has/does neither, but is good enough to be a middling tourney team imo.

I wouldn't necessarily want Baylor in the tourney b/c of their style and guard play. Texas and OU I think are outs due to lack of dominant playmaking ability in the backcourt and poor ft shooting for us.
 
Our guards, much less the rest of the team, are hardly any more consistent than OU's. I'd love to have Willie Warren right now...
 
I think whether UT or OU finishes first depends on which team gets help from their supporting cast. Abrams, James and Gary Johnson will usually get their points, while the Blake Griffin/ Warren combo is fantastic. But they need help. Will it be someone like Connor Atchley hitting 3s or will Tony Crocker find his touch? Without a doubt, the good news is that UT has many more supporting players who have the potential to step up their game than OU. That's why I'd guess UT will win the Big XII regular season with OU 2nd and KU 3rd.
 
Here is what kills me. Guard/Forward free throw %

James - 57%
Mason - 49%
Ward - 53%
Balbay - 40%

Then there is Chapman at 8%. I mean you could granny shoot it better then 8%.

Dexter is at 77%. Hats off to him.

I mean this is so pathetic it almost can't be real. But we'll lose 2-3 games because of it.
 
Some of my fellow OU fans have to be kidding me. We're 12-0 and it's not like we've been beating up on the little sisters of the poor. I'll concede that Texas has played a tougher schedule so far, but OU has beaten four potential tournament teams in Davidson, UAB, Purdue, and USC.

1. OU
2. Texas
3. Baylor
4. Kansas
5. Missouri
6. Texas A&M
7. OSU
8. Kansas State
9. Nebraska
10. Texas Tech
11. Iowa State
12. Colorado
 
I just looked at OU's schedule and the current rankings, and having a hard time finding current Top 25 teams OU has played this season. Somebody help me out here.

Texas has played four current top 25 teams and is 2-2 in those games. OU's played 7 of their 11 games at Norman. Tulsa is their solo road game, the other away games have been on neutral courts.

I guess last night's game at Wisconsin was the Horn's first true road game, and even though the Badgers are unranked, they are difficult in their home court.

I'm waiting to see how OU does against an assortment of top 25 opponents. Texas has played four teams currently ranked #8, #11, #13, #18.

Lost to #8 ND and #11 Mich-State on neutral courts -- by a combined 5 points. Beat #13 UCLA and #18 Villinova both at home.
 
The only things I know about the Big 12 so far are these...

Texas is building an impressive resume. A solid outing in Hawaii, and wins over UCLA, Nova and Wisconsin are setting them up nicely in RPI later.

OU is setting themselves up nicely with OOC wins over Davidson and Purdue.

Kansas is struggling right now but they're still Kansas.

After that beatdown at the hands of Illinois, Mizzou may be "who we thought they were." We'll see.

Nebraska is the worst team in the Big 12 this year and I do not joke. We could, literally, go 0-16 in Big 12 play.
 
I think texas wins the conference and the rubber match between ou and ut in kc will decide a potential 1 seed. My conference standings going into the tourney would be this:

Texas 13-3
Kansas 13-3
Oklahoma 12-4
Baylor 10-6
 
Kansas will get a great benefit from playing in the North. My Cyclones, the Huskers and the Buffs are atrocious. All three will struggle to win a game against anyone not named ISU, CU or NU. KU will likely rack up some wins in the North, but I think that MU and KSU will give them problems.

OU is the best team IMO.
UT is next.
Baylor
KU
aTm
MU
KSU
OSU
TT
NU
ISU
CU
 
As previously stated OU's guard play is atrocious at times... Warren is going to be a stud but that is about it. Should Blake have an off night or foul out we will lose. The Big 12 is just that weak and thus we will remain in the Top 3 of the conference.

1)Texas


2-3) OU/KU- call it as u see it here
I would assume Baylor, KSU, and possibly even OSU will battle for th 4-7 slots.
 
Look- I'm bearish on OU as a 1 seed type or a legit top 5 team, but they are way better than KU and clearly the 2nd best team in the country imo.
 
I don't know which team is better, but I do believe that Texas is a bad matchup for OU. If the Sooners can win their game in Norman in the 2nd conference game of the year, it's going to be a huge boost to their potential of winning the conference. At the same time, if Texas pulls it out, it's going to put OU in a tough place.

I haven't looked at OU's conference schedule in toto, but I do like that Texas gets both KSU and Missouri at home. If either OU or Texas goes 4-2 against the north, it's going to make it tough for them to win the conference.

I continue to like Texas as the Big 12 champion.
 
After watching A&M a couple of times I am more impressed with Sloan then I have been in the past. He's getting better.

He and Davis are ok players, but nothing trancendent or game changing. I love Carter's skill set but am disappointed in his lack of ability or desire to take over games. A&M isn't bad per se, there just isn't anything special about them.

I see them making the dance and being somewhere between an 8 and 11 seed and doing absolutely nothing to scare a higher seeded team and advance past the first weekend.

Historically a very good team for A&M, but nothing special in any context other than compared to their historical ineptitude. Not as good as their teams from the past 2 or 3 years imo. I think they hired the wrong guy in Turgean.
 
Bryan Davis is the only Aggie player that should scare anyone because he's developed a really nice mid-range game. Just a really solid player now. Carter and Sloan are as good as they'll be, and BJ Holmes is too small to make a major impact in Big XII play. Junior Elonu is a nice surprise for them, but he has no game outside 5-10 feet. No way the Aggies compete with UT and OU and perhaps even Baylor (though A&M can outphysical the Bears at least once this year).

And as said previously in the thread, OU just doesn't have enough depth for my liking. Just like the old Atlanta Braves with "Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain" it's Griffin and Warren and pray that someone else will hit some jumpers.

Texas has three solid scorers in Abrams, James and Johnson, and they play better defense than OU (though the Sooner defense is usually really good - I'm not sure what the heck happened in Fayetteveille), and you just gotta think someone like Connor Atchley will get going at some point. If he can get his scoring average up from 7 to about 10-12, UT is in really good shape.

Here are my picks:

1. UT
2. OU
3. KU (only because they're in the North)
4. Baylor
5. A&M
6. Missouri (only because they're in the North)
7. Okie State
8-12. Does it matter?

No matter how weak the Big XII is this year, it's not like the SEC and Pac 10 are on fire, either, and I'm just happy because UT has enough good OOC wins - especially Nova and Wisconsin away from Austin - that a 1st or 2nd place finish in conference and strong Big XII tourney showing should still give them a shot at no worse than a 3 seed. With a departed DJ Augustin, that's nothing to complain about.
 
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