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[NRHorn]

Sam is gone, unless the new coach can convince him to stay. I think Sam has had enough of Tom Herman to last him him multiple lifetimes.

I think TH stays.

Hey I see the poop avatar below and it made me laugh I’m just saying that if urban Meyer is not here Herman gets another year, and I’d rather do that then start over again

 

[NRHorn]

Enough-geez

 

[nashhorn]

Wow, a bowl game and Sam passes Colt for single season, possibly.

 

[NRHorn]

Wow, a bowl game and Sam passes Colt for single season, possibly.

Thanks Nash,
It shocks me, and I do mean shocks, for anyone to not understand what type of QB UT is losing.
Yes, let’s see what a backup can do, unbelievable.

 

[nashhorn]

Yeah I’m a Sam the Man fan. Feel really badly for him considering everything. My attitude is like JJones toward Neon Dion when he said “wish I had 11 of him, we’d beat everyone” or something close to that.

 

[Run Pincher]

Wow, a bowl game and Sam passes Colt for single season, possibly.

I think Sam's a great QB but I seriously doubt he's going to pass for 1452 yards in a bowl game. But you never know, if it goes 25 OT's maybe it's possible.

 

[nashhorn]

Passing in a year, not career.

 

[majorfan2005]

I think Sam is great too, but think of how many yards Colt would’ve passed for if Mack had let him air it out in the first half.

 

[Pomspoms]

If Sam is a "great" QB then why do many say that he will get drafted in the lower rounds? QBs that are labeled great in college usually get drafted in the first round or maybe second.
Maybe I'm too hard on Sam. I think there were times when Sam was hurt and exhausted which could have contributed to errant throws.
Maybe it was receiver's lack of ability to get separation, or maybe the lack of stellar line play. Usually when a player is labeled great they are surrounded by very good talent.
So perhaps Sam is a Tom Brady who was drafted in the seventh round (I believe). Perhaps Sam would flourish in the right system as did Tom Brady. But at this moment, in spite of his stats (due to longevity), Sam is a good QB not great.
I'm looking for the great QB. That's why I would like to see the backups get significant playing time.
Joe montana was a fourth or fifth string at one time. Look at how he turned out. This is why backups should get PT.
So this is why I don't want Sam to come back next year.
And I do hope that Sam has a hall of fame career as a pro.

 

[majorfan2005]

If Sam is a "great" QB then why do many say that he will get drafted in the lower rounds? QBs that are labeled great in college usually get drafted in the first round or maybe second.
Maybe I'm too hard on Sam. I think there were times when Sam was hurt and exhausted which could have contributed to errant throws.
Maybe it was receiver's lack of ability to get separation, or maybe the lack of stellar line play. Usually when a player is labeled great they are surrounded by very good talent.
So perhaps Sam is a Tom Brady who was drafted in the seventh round (I believe). Perhaps Sam would flourish in the right system as did Tom Brady. But at this moment, in spite of his stats (due to longevity), Sam is a good QB not great.
I'm looking for the great QB. That's why I would like to see the backups get significant playing time.
Joe montana was a fourth or fifth string at one time. Look at how he turned out. This is why backups should get PT.
So this is why I don't want Sam to come back next year.
And I do hope that Sam has a hall of fame career as a pro.

Sam will not be coming back next year. Sam will go in the first 3 rounds. He’s 6’3, very solid, and has good run skills. He has good improvisational throwing skill and a quick release when he decides to throw. He had multiple broadcasters lobbying for him after the K St game.

 

[Chop]

Sam has had a very good college football career, is an excellent Texas Longhorn, a model for others, a good leader and example, and deserves all of the accolades coming his way (and probably more). Quarterbacking in the NFL, however, is a different animal.

Sam is not a top-notch straight drop back/pocket passer. He won't be able to run over LBs and Safeties at the next level. He'll get horribly banged up. He might make a good NFL fullback or TE that could last a long time.

I agree that our backup QBs should have received more playing time. This is a long-standing deficiency in our program that goes all the way back to the Mack Brown era.

 

[Creek]

Meyer said Sam’s the best in the Big 12.

 

[majorfan2005]

Sam has had a very good college football career, is an excellent Texas Longhorn, a model for others, a good leader and example, and deserves all of the accolades coming his way (and probably more). Quarterbacking in the NFL, however, is a different animal.

Sam is not a top-notch straight drop back/pocket passer. He won't be able to run over LBs and Safeties at the next level. He'll get horribly banged up. He might make a good NFL fullback or TE that could last a long time.

I agree that our backup QBs should have received more playing time. This is a long-standing deficiency in our program that goes all the way back to the Mack Brown era.

I think you are undervaluing his throwing ability and overvaluing guys with rocket arms that aren’t accurate or make bad decisions.

 

[Horns11]

Passing in a year, not career.

That was 2019, not 2020. It'd be shocking if he beat Colt's record in only 10 games.

Sam will not be coming back next year. Sam will go in the first 3 rounds. He’s 6’3, very solid, and has good run skills. He has good improvisational throwing skill and a quick release when he decides to throw. He had multiple broadcasters lobbying for him after the K St game.

No.

I'd be shocked if he gets drafted in the 6th or 7th round as a project for 3rd string QB. No one in the NFL wants a LB playing QB. His run skills are good for bailing out a broken pocket, but nowhere near the ability level of a guy like RW or Lamar Jackson. His arm is maybe a 2/5 on power and 2/5 on accuracy when compared to others coming out this season. I'd take Kellen Mond over him, and that's saying something.

 

[Chop]

I think you are undervaluing his throwing ability and overvaluing guys with rocket arms that aren’t accurate or make bad decisions.

I hope you’re right, but there are many good pro style QBs coming out this year. Note that others are ranked higher for the O Brien awards, etc. Sticking around the NFL is a very difficult proposition.

 

[majorfan2005]

I hope you’re right, but there are many good pro style QBs coming out this year. Note that others are ranked higher for the O Brien awards, etc. Sticking around the NFL is a very difficult proposition.

Y’all talking him down on UT message boards isn’t helping him and is borderline disrespectful given the commitment he’s shown to Texas.

 

[Horns11]

Y’all talking him down on UT message boards isn’t helping him and is borderline disrespectful given the commitment he’s shown to Texas.

Do you want me to set up a clinic to help him? Invite Jon Gruden in?

No one doubts his commitment. If commitment was the #1 determining factor in draftable QBs, he'd be taken first. Sometimes discussion calls for truth. Several on this board spent YEARS (and maybe even decades once we hit 2025) trying to convince people that VY was the 2nd coming for NFL QBs. It's ok to understand human limitations.

 

[Chop]

Y’all talking him down on UT message boards isn’t helping him and is borderline disrespectful given the commitment he’s shown to Texas.

That’s not talking him down. If you would read, I said I hope he’s back for next year. As I’ve stated before on these boards, Sam has carried this team on his back a number of times.

His future NFL prospects are a different subject. They’re mostly looking for a different skill set for NFL QBs. But if he makes it big in the NFL, I’d be quite happy for him.

 

[Chop]

That was 2019, not 2020. It'd be shocking if he beat Colt's record in only 10 games.



No.

I'd be shocked if he gets drafted in the 6th or 7th round as a project for 3rd string QB. No one in the NFL wants a LB playing QB. His run skills are good for bailing out a broken pocket, but nowhere near the ability level of a guy like RW or Lamar Jackson. His arm is maybe a 2/5 on power and 2/5 on accuracy when compared to others coming out this season. I'd take Kellen Mond over him, and that's saying something.

Mond?!???

You’ve perhaps gone a bit far on that one. But I’m generally in agreement with your assessments on this topic.

Appreciating all Sam has done for this team—and he’s done a lot—is a lot different from sunshine pumping his long-term NFL QB prospects.

 

[Chop]

Meyer said Sam’s the best in the Big 12.

And he may be. I can’t think of a better one.
That’s not the same thing as his prospects as a long term NFL QB.

 

[nashhorn]

NFL or no NFL, don’t care. Sam is one of best UT has ever had. Not THE best but among them. Guts, grit, and will count, especially when you consider his supporting crew, including coaching.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Y’all talking him down on UT message boards isn’t helping him and is borderline disrespectful given the commitment he’s shown to Texas.

Ridiculous. This isn’t some sunshine pumping board like Texas Ags. It usually provides realistic assessments of players.

Sam has issues with accuracy and ball velocity, two of the three things (the other being size) that the NFL looks for. All the grit / determination / leadership stuff that fans like to talk about does not come into play for the draft.

I’d guess either a very late pick of undrafted for Sam, various practice squads and such, and maybe he can work his way up into play.

 

[aUTfan]

Sam isn't coming back, just forget about it. I can see the demeanor in him this year, the whole year has taken its toll, all of it.
I think some people are confusing Sams heart and leadership for QB skills, his heart was bigger than anyones thats ever played here but his actual skills were well....out of respect for the heart hes shown, Ill just leave it alone.
I don't know if he will get drafted, I'm not an insider, just my personal opinion. I don't think he will make a roster unless a team wants to use him like Tebow or Taysom Hill style. I totally hope I'm completely off cause I wish the best for him. He deserves all the good and I will certainly be pulling for him and watching.

 

[Chop]

JQJ is in the portal.

If Sam is gone, we have 2 scholarship QBs on the roster (we'll have 3 with Charles Wright coming in). They look pretty good, but... None have done much passing at all in college games. Time for some serious portalling of our own / JCs / grad transfers. I don't want another offense like when Swoopes was our QB.

InsideTexas.com - 2020 Longhorn Football Roster Table

 

[Handler]

Sam's a good Qb and a Great Longhorn. But not a top 10 QB at Texas.
1-4 against OU
18-13 in conference play
26-16 as a starter
0 conference championships (including 2021 which was a cake walk of crappy Big 12 teams)

 

[Duck Dodgers]

So a bigger Major who played for 4 years?

 

[Chop]

THE BIG POINT IS THAT (if Sam doesn't come back) WE'RE ENTERING NEXT YEAR WITH NO QBS WITH ANY SIGNIFICANT PLAYING TIME. A little bit of mop up time, in just a few games, during which they mostly ran running plays, doesn't do much for their development.

JQJ looked like "the guy" who could turn this all around, but now he's in the portal. DRAT!!!

We're left with pinning our hopes on Hudson or Casey -- both talented guys with much promise, but both still unproven. Yurcich will really earn his keep this coming year (or he won't...).

 

[MajesticII]

Texas may have saved some money, but have set themselves back many years by keeping Herman. Honestly set themselves back decades by hiring the ************ in the first place. Throw in the Strong cluster **** and its a few decades. They may never recover since kids now-a-days would rather join a contender or champion over working to build a program up.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Does seem like next year will be a challenge.

New and inexperienced QB, which is always a challenge. Questionable line play this year, combined with a new QB and the best OL (as such) leaving, along with one of the better WR.

Best defensive player by far is gone, along with serviceable backfield players.

Pretty poor 2021 recruiting class coming in, so far.

All this with the specter of Herman being fired by years end, so little 2022 class recruiting on the horizon. All wrapped up with a coach unliked by a large number of fans including the big donors who seemingly really despise him.

Buckle up, 21 may be wild ride!

 

[Chop]

Some might even say that the current state of UT football is dysfunctional.