Post Ou Thoughts

AC,
The flaw in Herman's plan, if it is one, is that the refs will cheat like hell for OU to win the Big 12 and get to the play-offs...Its $$$$$$$ for the conference and the powers that be are all behind it. To get the refs on your side you have to be in contention for the play-offs, and OU is that team now that they beat us.
 
MajesticII said:
AC,
The flaw in Herman's plan, if it is one, is that the refs will cheat like hell for OU to win the Big 12 and get to the play-offs...Its $$$$$$$ for the conference and the powers that be are all behind it. To get the refs on your side you have to be in contention for the play-offs, and OU is that team now that they beat us.
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College refs are generally bad. But I don't honestly believe there is this big conspiracy. Not like the refs get more money. The calls that piss me off the most are the targeting on Sam that doesn't even get reviewed. Refs, protect our players please.
 
WorsterMan said:
After marinating in my brain for a couple of days and dragging me self to watch my recording of the game.... me primary take away goes to the heart of Dionysus post:

1. tackling
2. tackling
3. tackling
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THIS!!!

GOOD LORD, out tackling in space is non-existant...not spying on Jalen was moronic, too....
 
But the defense played well enough to win. I've read it here on this board a hundred times or more especially from some of you complaining about tackling.
 
As for the tackling, I would say that was what came out of the bad game plan born out of a resignation that we were the most banged up as we have ever been in the TH era. We played the 3-3-5 "cowboy package" most of the time in the game. We spent our dime package player on coverage not as a spy. Again, trying to keep everything in front of us. We all saw BJ Foster playing flag football out there with one usable arm. Coach and his staff were working with far less than an ideal hand to play with. They came out with a defensive bend don't break vanilla defense and pretty much the same thing on offense. Trying to keep it close. Maintain our position in he B12 rankings. Live to win against OU in December. I thought our cowboy package would win us some games this year against some really good passing teams in the B12. But nobody thought close to 50% of our starting defense would get hurt or play hurt by game 6. I am not defending but trying to explain the hypothesis that lead to the game plan.
 
wadster said:
College refs are generally bad. But I don't honestly believe there is this big conspiracy. Not like the refs get more money. The calls that piss me off the most are the targeting on Sam that doesn't even get reviewed. Refs, protect our players please.
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You do realize the powers that be assign refs to games, don't you ? As a ref you don't get paid if you aren't assigned. If you want to be assigned you have to play by the powers' rule. I believe in the conspiracy from seeing way too many calls or no-calls that favor the front-runners in the $EC and as of late the Big12 as well. When was the last time you saw a front-runner get screwed over by the refs in the $EC or Big 12 ? True Texas got screwed last year in several games, but we were not a front-runner for the play-offs. IF Texas gets another shot at OU, just watch what happens with the calls. They won't be so blatant that the wife and dog will see, but they will be there until the game is in hand. It doesn't have to be a whole heck of a lot to sway a game. Games are won or lost on just a hand full of plays, so it only takes a few flags or no-flags on holding or PI, etc...to turn a game for a team.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
But the defense played well enough to win. I've read it here on this board a hundred times or more especially from some of you complaining about tackling.
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Our defense has its flaws, but they held OU in check and below their average. They did enough to pull out a win in today's style game. The offense was garbage from the game plan, to play calling , to adjustments, etc...Smack talk didn't help matters..Herman needs to put a gag order in for all of next season, because its obvious our players can't back up their mouths.
 
Mack wasn't entirely wrong about the tackling epidemic. If guys who have been playing football since peewee get to college and still have to be taught basic tackling techniques . . . imagine if most of the astrophysics majors at UT didn't know how to do arithmetic.

That's not true. Texas almost always outrecruits Oklahoma no matter how many times they beat us.

During 2000-2004 when we lost 5 in a row we still greatly outrecruited the Sooners in every one of those years.
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According to who? Those were pretty equally-talented teams. Any ratings that say otherwise, I disagree with.
 
On a trip and the game came up with a few people. They all said it felt like Texas lost by 28 not 7. Pathetic. Non Texas fans but knowledgeable of college football.
 
Honestly I'm trying to block out 2019 RRR ... by thinking about being at & celebrating 2018 RRR victory with my oldest son, 2020 recruiting success, upcoming KU game, and Dancing With the Stars episode on Monday.

OK, I was bullshitting you about the last one...
 
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Honestly it didn't make any difference what the D did. You give up 9 sacks you are going to lose damn near 100% of the time. I said it before, but the only guys that really stepped up were RJ and Ossai. Sam played pretty well. After that I don't think a single player played above their heads. You just aren't going to beat a quality opponent when your entire team lays an egg at the same time. And we didn't run anything like the reverse pass to Sam, or the Cosmi pass, etc... Nothing to throw them off their game. It's a miracle it was 7 pts. Coaches sucked, special teams sucked, OLine sucked, receivers were ok, but dropped passes and the D couldn't tackle. Again a miracle it was that close.
 
Rewatching tonight. I feel like the game plan was like we were playing K State, TCU or Baylor. No sense this was a big game of the year.
 
wadster said:
Honestly it didn't make any difference what the D did. You give up 9 sacks you are going to lose damn near 100% of the time. I said it before, but the only guys that really stepped up were RJ and Ossai. Sam played pretty well. After that I don't think a single player played above their heads. You just aren't going to beat a quality opponent when your entire team lays an egg at the same time. And we didn't run anything like the reverse pass to Sam, or the Cosmi pass, etc... Nothing to throw them off their game. It's a miracle it was 7 pts. Coaches sucked, special teams sucked, OLine sucked, receivers were ok, but dropped passes and the D couldn't tackle. Again a miracle it was that close.
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I remarked to a fellow HF today the game plan seemed vanilla. Little creativity. No deception. No trick plays like prior games.

Game tapes ou watched... Horns were probably very predictable.
 
This whole board has gone crazy. We tied the game in the third quarter, 10-10 (how bad could the defense really be, at that score?). Then, we scored at the end of the 3rd to be down 20-17 going into the fourth quarter. We scored in mid-4th Q to make it 27-20, needing a stop. We mainly can't cover and tackle Lamb. He's a first-round NFL player, by my observation. They add a TD, so do we, final 34-27.

I rewatched it tonight. You should. There is nothing whatsoever in that game that makes one believe OU is much better than us at all. You have to be nuts to think it was "like a 28-point blowout." You guys drank too much on Saturday, and became infuriated at the biased announcers, I get it, but get a grip.

The main sequence that put them into the 7 point lead in the 3rd Q we couldn't ever restore was a pass to Lamb, targeted by Roach, add 15 yards to the 50, and then a 50-yard trick play TD. Is that the secret sauce missing genius OU has that we don't have? Because that's the only scoreboard difference between what they did to us compared to what we did to them.

It all adds up to a 7-point loss to a 10-point favorite, undefeated top 4 team in the nation, mainly led by a truly remarkable WR and a transfer QB from Alabama who made one more play than we made.

Get a freaking grip!
 
VYFan said:
This whole board has gone crazy. We tied the game in the third quarter, 10-10 (how bad could the defense really be, at that score?). Then, we scored at the end of the 3rd to be down 20-17 going into the fourth quarter. We scored in mid-4th Q to make it 27-20, needing a stop. We mainly can't cover and tackle Lamb. He's a first-round NFL player, by my observation. They add a TD, so do we, final 34-27.

I rewatched it tonight. You should. There is nothing whatsoever in that game that makes one believe OU is much better than us at all. You have to be nuts to think it was "like a 28-point blowout." You guys drank too much on Saturday, and became infuriated at the biased announcers, I get it, but get a grip.

The main sequence that put them into the 7 point lead in the 3rd Q we couldn't ever restore was a pass to Lamb, targeted by Roach, add 15 yards to the 50, and then a 50-yard trick play TD. Is that the secret sauce missing genius OU has that we don't have? Because that's the only scoreboard difference between what they did to us compared to what we did to them.

It all adds up to a 7-point loss to a 10-point favorite, undefeated top 4 team in the nation, mainly led by a truly remarkable WR and a transfer QB from Alabama who made one more play than we made.

Get a freaking grip!
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Total yd difference was 200. That's a huge difference. I don't believe OU is one bit better than we are. We play like we did against LSU and we win that game. We just don't come with the same amount of passion. Like the whole team slept walked through the game. Very little emotion. It was like watching in a parallel universe almost.
 
wadster said:
Total yd difference was 200. That's a huge difference. I don't believe OU is one bit better than we are. We play like we did against LSU and we win that game. We just don't come with the same amount of passion. Like the whole team slept walked through the game. Very little emotion. It was like watching in a parallel universe almost.
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So, OUs defensive backs were seemingly told that whenever they got beat, just tackle the UT receiver. Thus on like almost 100 yards of plays, we had their secondary beat, and a deliberate PI was taken. So that shows up as penalty yardage, but it wasn’t like boneheaded plays by OU, it was to prevent TDs on successfully run plays by our offense. The actual difference in performance of the two offenses was not that great. Rewatch the game.

I disagree about the passion thing, too. We played our guts out. Missing a block or getting juked in the open field doesn’t reflect passion. Did OU just lose passion during our TD drives?

I firmly believe we are one of the top 10 teams right now, but a TD behind the CFP teams, because of injuries and inexperience on defense. That is not a bad place for our program to be right this moment. Inexperience is quickly fixing itself and maybe injuries will, too.
 
No MajesticII. We just need some improved game plans, creativity in the blitz packages and run game. And most importantly, we need some key players to get healthy and start because we are not too deep this year. Especially on defense! VY is pretty right on. We are close. I think we all overlooked lack of depth on defense and assumed nobody critical would get hurt. I know I did!
 
VYFan said:
So, OUs defensive backs were seemingly told that whenever they got beat, just tackle the UT receiver. Thus on like almost 100 yards of plays, we had their secondary beat, and a deliberate PI was taken. So that shows up as penalty yardage, but it wasn’t like boneheaded plays by OU, it was to prevent TDs on successfully run plays by our offense. The actual difference in performance of the two offenses was not that great. Rewatch the game.

I disagree about the passion thing, too. We played our guts out. Missing a block or getting juked in the open field doesn’t reflect passion. Did OU just lose passion during our TD drives?

I firmly believe we are one of the top 10 teams right now, but a TD behind the CFP teams, because of injuries and inexperience on defense. That is not a bad place for our program to be right this moment. Inexperience is quickly fixing itself and maybe injuries will, too.
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I like most UT fans hate OU. The frustration I have seen this year is that we have 5 offensive lineman that dont get much push on run downs and seem baffled on the stunts by LSU and OU. I too hate this stupid 3 man line that gets no push. I know every coach has to get players they think fit and Herman doesnt seem fazed by the star ranking. For the most part this has gotten us back to respectible. You have to have some speed and strength on the line and we dont have it. I think we are lacking at LB as well but luckily we have 35 WR to fill in. (ok maybe not quite but you know what I mean) I was glad they played their asses off and wish the coaches would hammer the refs more about OU line holding. For years they do it and get very few calls against them. Picture Remember the Titans when Denzel on every play was telling the ref they are holding my boys!!!
 
VYFan said:
This whole board has gone crazy. We tied the game in the third quarter, 10-10 (how bad could the defense really be, at that score?). Then, we scored at the end of the 3rd to be down 20-17 going into the fourth quarter. We scored in mid-4th Q to make it 27-20, needing a stop. We mainly can't cover and tackle Lamb. He's a first-round NFL player, by my observation. They add a TD, so do we, final 34-27.

I rewatched it tonight. You should. There is nothing whatsoever in that game that makes one believe OU is much better than us at all. You have to be nuts to think it was "like a 28-point blowout." You guys drank too much on Saturday, and became infuriated at the biased announcers, I get it, but get a grip.

The main sequence that put them into the 7 point lead in the 3rd Q we couldn't ever restore was a pass to Lamb, targeted by Roach, add 15 yards to the 50, and then a 50-yard trick play TD. Is that the secret sauce missing genius OU has that we don't have? Because that's the only scoreboard difference between what they did to us compared to what we did to them.

It all adds up to a 7-point loss to a 10-point favorite, undefeated top 4 team in the nation, mainly led by a truly remarkable WR and a transfer QB from Alabama who made one more play than we made.

Get a freaking grip!
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I think they controlled the LOS and were more physical than us.
Our HC even admitted they were more physical than we were.

I must have watched a different game because they looked in control to me. The game wasn't as close as the score showed.
 
Post game thoughts:
We played hard to the end of the game and were within 7 points at the end of the game.
In the first half of the game our offense played the worst half of football they will play all year. 83 yards, 4 sacks, 3 points. Our offense will not have a worse combined half of football the rest of the season. Just wont.
We have seen and played OU’s offensive and defensive plan for us. They may add some wrinkles, but we have seen it.
Our players did not react and were surprised in the pregame fracas and it got in their head. This will slowly burn in our players psyche.
The OU fans in our area (Hans Mueller) were not hyped over the win and did not want a rematch.
Barring injuries and turn overs in a championship rematch, we beat OU by 7.
 
IvanDiabloHorn said:
Our offense will not have a worse combined half of football the rest of the season.
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We hope. The real concerns are the continued development of Texas' receivers, and the coaching realizing that "everyone but Dev go deep" will not work against championship level defenses. It is a good theory, but if Dev is covered Sam will not have time to wait for another receiver to recognize what is going on and break off his route. At this point, only Jake knows what to do, but he isn't in when Dev is in.

Texas is going to have to find a way to win 6 straight (and @ TCU and Baylor). The we can worry about ou again.
 
As you often hear, the score was not as close and the game. When there's a 200 yd difference in output it definitely applies. If getting turnovers is your strategy to win games you will be sorely disappointed more often than not. It's a little like winning the lottery being your retirement strategy.
 
Defensive strategy can definitely include turnovers. Just ask Wooster after the 1970 Cotton Bowl when Notre dame tackled the ball. Defensive strategy to certain pass plays can definitely put a db in the position to intercept. Can’t count on turnovers, but you can certainly defensively put yourself on the position to make them.
Although not part of my retirement strategy, now that I am retired I invest 20.00 a week in the pursuit of a lottery win.
 
WorsterMan said:
I remarked to a fellow HF today the game plan seemed vanilla. Little creativity. No deception. No trick plays like prior games.

Game tapes ou watched... Horns were probably very predictable.
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We played scared....where did o.u. get that defensive line? Got to SAM time after time....stopped the run....then, it appeared we were clueless....stopped in our tracks...where is MENSA to be ready for PLAN B???
 
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