Possible coaching changes

[moondog_LFZ]

Why indeed? It was a summarization so ask him. It made no sense to me.

Me thinks your sarcasm meter is off.

 

[EDT]

Why would Joe Brady leave LSU?

I love money lots and lots of money.

 

[Horn6721]

Have there been many programs where replacing many ***'t coaches has resulted in a successful turn around.
Asking for a friend.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Have there been many programs where replacing many ***'t coaches has resulted in a successful turn around.
Asking for a friend.

Well, don't know if LSU replaced anymore than OC but it sure made a difference.

 

[AC]

It sounds like CDC’s meeting with TH had ultimatums which might have pushed Herman to change out both coordinators? I thought it would just be Beck. I hope Fillinger is the only Decommit left. We’ll see what the new coach announcements bring us. I just remember CS in 12/15 doing this. I’m concerned.

 

[ShAArk92]

What does this mean.

I understand it to mean analysis isn't his thing and to a post he says he didn't read which contained much more than a defense of Charlie's players, padlocks on the rebuttal about Charlie's players.

Sad. But that's what we get, evidently.

 

[ShAArk92]

I’m concerned.

If he wants to keep his job, TH has to make some big changes ... not the least of which are within himself. Obviously that means watching another season or probably two in order to make that determination.

changing names in the staff is the easiest way to highlight change. So ... we've pandered. Sigh ... I don't advocate for TH's termination, but yeah, he's gotta do some major improving. And stop being a goofball on the sidelines.

Can't defend it and makes the outfit look ridiculous.

 

[wadster]

When Fillinger was a mid 3* was thrilled to get an offer. My how things have changed. We may still be able to get him back depending on how things go down.

 

[easy]

These stories about merigher are bad. How was this guy on staff this long

 

[Austin_Bill]

Why is it so common a belief that no one is capable of stepping up to replace the senior leadership that's leaving? Considering the outcome of the season I'm not concerned at all about seeing who steps up next year.

I'm not saying we can't have guys step up next season. I just don't think we can point to the seniors and say the failures of this season is because these guys were quitters. That is not true one bit. That was the jest of the post I originally replied to. We had some injuries, we had coaching failures, and we had a lack of talent in specific situations All of that together gave us the outcome of this season.

To say that "anyone that played from 2014-2016 for Texas was used to losing and that's a cancer that I feel is going to get cured. " is to basically lay the blame on guys that contributed a lot to the success of this program over the last 3 years. This is especially true since we won 10 games the year before with a lot more of those guys on the team.

 

[zuckercanyon]

and IIRC, there have been a handful the last two years of Charlie's who either entered the draft their junior year and was signed ... or transferred doing quite well. Point is ... accomplished athletes.

So ... yeah, I'm getting a little weary of beating on the players who were on the roster in 2017 as "Charlie's kids" (for those too young to remember "Jerry's Kids" .... and I've got a special needs close relative, so withhold any sanctimonious retort)

There was a time when "installing the scheme" had merit. end of year 3 .... nope. By year 3, evidently, we need to have an established vector to 'BACK" ... back in the conference championship ... and winning it. Being in the playoff discussion as something other than comedic relief. .... by year 4 ... winning it all.

That's the time line.

I'm sorry CDC gave Herman a contract extension after year two of five. Apparently "saving face" is more important that getting a Head Coach who already knows how.

Even if he'd won the national championship in year two ... I find that to be premature. But here we are.

looking at some level of coaching staff change bound for the weedeater bowel ... against aggy!

Oh that's awesome, great athletes who were signed by Nfl teams who drafted them. And that added up to what. Losing seasons. And the ones who didn't get drafted? And won't? Apologize for Charlie all the live long day all you want, but he just got fired for losing at a lesser school, and would've set losing season records if they had let him stay. 3 winning seasons so far. When it becomes a losing season, please feel free to bring up Charlie's excellence and how he got wronged.

 

[zuckercanyon]

I'm not saying we can't have guys step up next season. I just don't think we can point to the seniors and say the failures of this season is because these guys were quitters. That is not true one bit. That was the jest of the post I originally replied to. We had some injuries, we had coaching failures, and we had a lack of talent in specific situations All of that together gave us the outcome of this season.

To say that "anyone that played from 2014-2016 for Texas was used to losing and that's a cancer that I feel is going to get cured. " is to basically lay the blame on guys that contributed a lot to the success of this program over the last 3 years. This is especially true since we won 10 games the year with a lot more of those guys on the team.

I get it, you can't have a team with nothing but underclassmen. To be clear, not really talking about DuVernay (that would be idiotic). I'll wager that CJ will not sniff an NFL roster. He gets drafted I'll be ready to eat my hat and some crow, but I think that guy is not a gamer and gets pushed around a lot. I'll also keep pushing the 4 vs 3 star argument, and yes, hopefully one day we'll become a minor league NFL farm like Ohio State and Alabama and you add to the list. If you want to continue to go get en masse the 2 and 3 star we try harder guys, then you might as well get ready to be a TCU/Baylor/KState fan. Because that's not going to get you any conference championship rings.... or trips to the CFP, etc...

 

[ShAArk92]

please feel free to bring up Charlie's excellence and how he got wronged.

for the umpteenth time ... my problem with doing Charlie wrong isn't because I'm married to Charlie ... it's because it's OUR UT Athletic Department/Administration which did it.

perhaps that's why all we could get in 2017 was Tom Herman after the performance of the AD/Admin with CS.

 

[SabreHorn]

When you target only one candidate, only interview one candidate, and your “committee” is all in on that guy, you don’t have to worry about who else is out there.

Then there is the timing issue. Anyone that thinks this was done in December, please contact me about investing in a water front condo in Fort Hancock.

Besides, the only other two viable candidates were Fedora and Gundy

 

[zuckercanyon]

for the umpteenth time ... my problem with doing Charlie wrong isn't because I'm married to Charlie ... it's because it's OUR UT Athletic Department/Administration which did it.

perhaps that's why all we could get in 2017 was Tom Herman after the performance of the AD/Admin with CS.

ok duly noted. Still think Herman's the guy.

 

[old65horn]

it's because it's OUR UT Athletic Department/Administration which did i

While I agree with you on a lot of positions, I am a little confused about what AD problem you are referring to. If you are saying that Patterson et al made huge mistakes in hiring Strong and Smart, than I am in complete agreement. Both, in my opinion, are really nice guys but incompetent.

If you are saying Charlie got a raw deal by being fired, I completely disagree. Look at his next position, he has completely destroyed a good program in 3 years, same as here. Charlie got out of town a multimillionaire. I would like to get screwed by our AD is that is a raw deal.

 

[RainH2burntO]

Maybe this time we can at least avoid a very public rejection and a circumstantially-imposed late night flight to bow knees in option Cs driveway??

 

[Austin_Bill]

IF we have room, I vote for bringing Beau Trahan on as Special Teams Coach

why does that name sound familar?

Have there been many programs where replacing many ***'t coaches has resulted in a successful turn around.
Asking for a friend.

I think we can use Ogeron as a great example of the difference a coordinator can make. I take heart in that Tom has made some changes that move Texas in the right direction as a program. The strength program is so much better than what we have ever had. It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction. With all the changes we've made, it's basically like having a new coach. It's now up to Tom to pick the right assistants and to make it all work. He has bought himself a 2 year window. What he does with that time is up to him.

I get it, you can't have a team with nothing but underclassmen. To be clear, not really talking about DuVernay (that would be idiotic). I'll wager that CJ will not sniff an NFL roster. He gets drafted I'll be ready to eat my hat and some crow, but I think that guy is not a gamer and gets pushed around a lot. I'll also keep pushing the 4 vs 3 star argument, and yes, hopefully one day we'll become a minor league NFL farm like Ohio State and Alabama and you add to the list. If you want to continue to go get en masse the 2 and 3 star we try harder guys, then you might as well get ready to be a TCU/Baylor/KState fan. Because that's not going to get you any conference championship rings.... or trips to the CFP, etc...

If Texas wins it gets recruits, period. It doesn't have to resort to taking iffy prospects, it can get guys that are both scholar and athlete.

As for CJ, his success is up to him, he can be great or he can be just another talented guy that came through the system. He has all the tools to be great, size, athletic ability, brains, great hands. If he wants to be great, he will be. He was not prepared for the NFL while at Texas, that is not on him, that is on Tom Herman and Charlie Strong. Think about it for a moment. His #1 rout he ran here was basically run a straight line and jump up and Sam will throw it up to see if you can catch it. It was frustrating to watch. There was zero creativity to try and get the ball in his hands in space. You can point to his deficiencies as a player, but understand he didn't create or call the plays, he did what he was assigned to do.

 

[nashhorn]

Actually he ran two routes, go long and go 12-15 yards and come back for the first down.
Zucker we simply disagree on CJ's ability. I think he could have been great but for injuries. But that's just my humble opinion.

 

[ShAArk92]

Both, in my opinion, are really nice guys but incompetent.

The admin messed up hiring Patterson is what I’m saying.

we’re there really that many guffawing Strong? He did pretty well with Louisville to be a 2nd tier SEC team.

Patterson restricted Strongs being the head coach the first two years and Strong was unable to overcome that. Perhaps a Saban could, but a Saban wouldn’t have tolerated the micromanaging. Strong shouldn’t have either.

3 years is pretty short span when you’re asked to rebuild.

our 2019 record is gonna be real similar to 2016 ... soooo???

 

[SabreHorn]

Saban was a package deal with a real AD. Patterson would never have sniffed a paycheck if Powers hadn’t gone back on his word and humped the puppy.

 

[zuckercanyon]

Actually he ran two routes, go long and go 12-15 yards and come back for the first down.
Zucker we simply disagree on CJ's ability. I think he could have been great but for injuries. But that's just my humble opinion.

Well said. I'll back off but I think the NFL will validate what I'm saying today. Surely he will get healthy enough for the combine and then it can be seen what he can do.

 

[Joe Fan]

One of the candidates for new defensive coordinator Morgan Scalley of Utah says he is not interested

Another possible was Jimmy Lake but he took the Washington job

Inside Texas thinks we are moving i the direction of Chris Ash ex of Rutgers and already with the team

 

[Detective Shilala]

Inside Texas thinks we are moving i the direction of Chris Ash ex of Rutgers and already with the team

I know literally nothing about this guy and I am too lazy to research. Anyone with knowledge enough to speak about him?
reactions seem kind of "meh" but what do we really know?

 

[Austin_Bill]

I'm good with Ash if we are not going to pursue any of the elite SEC DCs. Texas just fired a very popular former Utah State DC, probably has a lot to do with Scalley not wanting the job.

When you think about it, New Coordinators are going to be hard to pull away if they think there is no security. Then again, there is no security in any school.

The problem with getting Ash is that he isn't going to bring in elite defensive talent with him. He is going to have to be a witch of a recruiter if Texas is to win over other elite defensive talent.

 

[Joe Fan]

I know literally nothing about this guy and I am too lazy to research. Anyone with knowledge enough to speak about him?
reactions seem kind of "meh" but what do we really know?

He had good Ds at tOSU - rmbr when they blasted Mariota and Oregon? That was him. Will that translate to the B12?

 

[p_town_horn]

He had good Ds at tOSU - rmbr when they blasted Mariota and Oregon? That was him. Will that translate tot he B12?

Also, wasn't that just for one year. Not much of a track record.

 

[SabreHorn]

Bill,

Are you saying the plethora of 4 & 5 star defensive talent isn’t going to fill the portal leaving Rutgers?

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

3 years is pretty short span when you’re asked to rebuild.

our 2019 record is gonna be real similar to 2016 ... soooo???

Strong might have been awarded another year if he had gone 7-5 for one year.

As good as Strong was in so many ways, Herman is the better manager. He has more support also.

 

[Joe Fan]

Also, wasn't that just for one year. Not much of a track record.

He was co-DC for 2 years
From there, he was HC at Rutgers for 4 years

1997 Drake (GA)
1998–1999 Drake (DC)
2000–2001 Iowa State (GA)
2002–2005 Iowa State (DB)
2006 Iowa State (DB/RC)
2007–2008 San Diego State (DB/RC)
2009 Iowa State (DB/RC)
2010 Wisconsin (DB)
2011–2012 Wisconsin (DC/DB)
2013 Arkansas (DC/DB)
2014–2015 Ohio State (co-DC/S)
2016–2019 Rutgers
2019–present Texas (analyst)​