Perry's immigration stance

The tea party and GOP followers are trying to attack Perry on what many moderates or independent voters may see as good accomplishments. That can certainly be argued. But the point is that they are appealing to their base by the manner they are attacking him but they may end up losing future support from the indepenent more moderate voters based on this type of appoach. And it also certainly does nothing for helping to bridge that gap that was seen in the 2008 election with Hispanic voters. They are a key demographic going forward and I still do not seem them as a focus under the tea party or GOP.
 
"I posed this question earlier and I'll ask it again. Does a candidate need to be soft on illegal immigration in order to garner Hispanic support? "

If you see not coming out for completely uprooting and displacing people who have been in the United States since childhood as "soft" on immigration, then I think Latinos will generally be "soft"

A child comes here at five, is well educated in Texas public schools, a community college and working towards a four-year degree in a needed profession. Do we want to lose the citizen? If you say "Yes" then you are probably losing Latinos, who don't have a xenephobic fear of other Lations and expect them to be assimilated and productive in one or two generations. I think Latinos, even ones here for several generations, are more likely to see the immigrants as humans first and lawbreakers second. If you've ever watched the debate on the illegal immigration issue at a Republican gathering, it's easy to see the hate. Latinos may join the Republican Party, but they won't join the hate and they find it offputting.
 
Due to the Plyler vs. Doe ruling, we are forced to educate ALL children legal or not through high school for free. Because of this, I agree that it would be foolish to design the system to immediately send back the illegal child after investing hundreds of thousands of dollars on an education. However, if we identify the young adult as an illegal alien, there should be consequences involved. He/she should not be eligible for rebates and discounts that are not afforded to legal citizens. Once said illegal is identified there should be some form of a payback, whether through fines, service, or other actions. Even if you don't hold the child accountable for a parent's actions, shouldn't the parent be held responsible for the ill gotten gains at the tax payers expense? Is this really any different than a tax cheat being caught and then forced to pay back taxes?
 
Mus
That was Lena Guerrero.
I ber if she'd just be truthful she would have won.

Until we, Gov't, are willing to go after and really penalize employers we will never get anyone thing meaningful done and more and more will come here. Why wouldn't they?

I agree , make enforcement of employers, big bad businesses a key part of GOP plank
then we can demonize Big biz and play a version of class warfare too
 
Immigration = big problem

Immigration = smsll problem compared to what we have in the White House.
 
" I haven't seen "hate." People are getting fed up with illegals coming into the U.S. and then demanding equal treatment under the law. We have to remain a nation of laws, otherwise the integrity of the system is compromised. But, hatred - no. Disgust - yes. "

I've spoken to Hispanics who attended the Republican State Convention who came home aghast. No spirit of compromise was allowed, even the suggestion of citizieship for people who grew up here and volunteer for the military was jeered and voted down. Maybe it's not hate, but there is a overt meaness too it that looks an awful lot like hate.
 
Yes, we have a method of gaining citizenship that they ignored and circumvented. Now they want amnesty. Yes, they'll get booed and jeered. If they cared so much about citizenship they would have gone through the proper channels. They chose not to. That's too bad. Attempting to substitute military service for the legal path toward U.S. citizenship is not acceptable to many. Hence, the boos. They should not come away appalled. They should come away with a sense that we are unwilling to compromise the integrity of our system in order to appease them. Want citizenship - fine. Go through the process.
 
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CPF -- I think we understand each other. And I don't think Latino's could look at your position and find common ground. Again, a lot of them have very conservative values, are entrprennuerial and have a generally Republican outlook. But it's hard to see the virulence against people where they were two generations ago and see kindred spirits. Though I'm sure you and your friends would have the same feelings for someone uprooted from war-torn Bosnia at 5 or the children of illegal Irish immigrants who were too young when they left to remember the Emerald Isle.
 
I would say that meanness comes from the feeling that we've been burned by half measures in the past. Reagan and "one time" amnesty program, turns out not to have been the end of it, but really just the beginning.

I been around many people that earned their citizenship thru the military. I thinks its about as good a way to earn it as we will ever have.

There are many hispanics that are in favor of immigration control that get that there have to be limits but unfortunately they are not the majority even within their block.

It is IMO simply a matter of matching up the immigration influx to what is actually good for our country it is definitely a higher number than our current quotas allow but it is also substantially lower than come here illegaly.
 
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