Perry: As a Christian, I Stand with Israel

I wonder why, as a Christian, he doesn't stand with Palestinians, Chinese etc...


I'm always amazed whenever I see biblical/religious justifications for political stances.
 
somebody needs to tell him that his holy book is the collected thoughts of a few hundred years' worth of bronze age mystics who were trying to justify the various atrocities they committed and explain away the ones that were visited on them.

no reason we should be dragged along by a bunch of hasidic loonies intent on pursuing ventures which are likely to provoke another bloodletting in that godforsaken pos part of the world.
 
Don't stand with Israel because you're a Christian- stand with them because you believe in supporting them.

Don't advertise your faith as a reason to support you either. I don't care who you worship- I'll vote for you if I agree with your ideas and think you're intelligent. You're not the only Christian with ideas and a brain.

Let's not turn our politics into a competition about who goes to Church more often. This country has been burnt enough already by politicians on both sides who are great to invite to the backyard BBQ, but are horrible leaders.
 
BI, didn’t you know that Yahweh is a white male conservative who favors the same things the American Republican Party favors? It’s really quite simple. You probably just don’t have enough faith.
 
somebody should ask him is he really thinks Eve was tempted by a snake and tricked her hubby into eating a fruit that caused God to boot them out of the Baghdad vicinity without their clothes.

there are good reasons to support israel in most regards but because of an origins myth from a few thousand years ago?

Does he have any foreign policy stances based on the epic of Gilgamesh? If not, does it mean he is prejudiced against Babylonians?

And will he seek enforcement of the Code of Hammurabi? There is some awful good law on that old stone.
 
It's amazing that Perry wants to see a two state solution, but only if it is through bilateral Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. I am certain that he had no problem with Israel being created because of a UN mandate....

Rick Santorum is a tool/douche. Ron Paul's policy would alleviate the US from any of this. We just let Israel take care of itself. They have nukes and more advanced weapons than we do.

Perry is cowering to the Israeli lobby in this country. He ultimately serves Israel, not the United States citizens.
 
Why do Christian's always go Old Testament when they want to quote the Bible? Is it because the words Christ actually spoke don't fit your belief system? Try this on for size:

The Sermon On The Mount


MATTHEW 5-7 (King James Bible Clarified New Testament)


5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he
was set, his disciples came unto him:

5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.

5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness:
for they shall be filled.

5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children
of God.

5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

5:11 Blessed are you, when men shall revile you, and persecute you,
and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

5:12 Rejoice, and be exceedingly glad: for great is your reward in
heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

5:13 You are the salt of the earth: but if the salt has lost its
savour, with what shall it be salted? it is thereafter good for
nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

5:14 You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill
cannot be hid.

5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on
a candlestick; and it gives light unto all that are in the house.

5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

5:18 For truthfully I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot or one small mark shall in no way pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.

5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven.

5:20 For I say unto you, That unless your righteousness shall exceed
the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case
enter into the kingdom of heaven.

5:21 You have heard that it was said of them of old time, You shall
not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother
without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever
shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but
whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

5:23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember
that your brother has anything against you;

5:24 Leave there your gift before the altar, and go your way; first be
reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

5:25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are in the way with
him; lest at any time the adversary deliver you to the judge, and the
judge deliver you to the officer, and you be cast into prison.

5:26 Truthfully I say unto you, You shall by no means come out from
there, till you have paid the last copper coin.

5:27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall
not commit adultery:

5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after
her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

5:29 And if your right eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it from
you: for it is profitable for you that one of your members should
perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell.

5:30 And if your right hand offend you, cut it off, and cast it from
you: for it is profitable for you that one of your members should
perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell.

5:31 It has been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give
her a writing of divorcement:

5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife,
except for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery:
and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

5:33 Again, you have heard that it has been said by them of old time,
You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform unto the Lord your
oaths:

5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it
is God's throne:

5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem;
for it is the city of the great King.

5:36 Neither shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one
hair white or black.

5:37 But let your communication be, Yes, yes; No, no: for whatsoever
is more than these comes of evil.

5:38 You have heard that it has been said, An eye for an eye, and a
tooth for a tooth:

5:39 But I say unto you, That you resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.

5:40 And if any man will sue you at the law, and take away your coat,
let him have your cloak also.

5:41 And whosoever shall compel you to go a mile, go with him two.

5:42 Give to him that asks you, and from him that would borrow of you
turn you not away.

5:43 You have heard that it has been said, You shall love your
neighbor, and hate your enemy.

5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use
you, and persecute you;

5:45 That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends
rain on the just and on the unjust.

5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? do not
even the publicans the same?

5:47 And if you salute your brothers only, what do you more than
others? do not even the publicans so?

5:48 Be you therefore perfect, just as your Father which is in heaven
is perfect.

6:1 Take heed that you do not your alms before men, to be seen of
them: otherwise you have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

6:2 Therefore when you are doing your alms, do not sound a trumpet
before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets,
that they may have glory of men. Truthfully I say unto you, They have
their reward.

6:3 But when you are doing alms, let not your left hand know what your
right hand does:

6:4 That your alms may be in secret: and your Father which sees in
secret himself shall reward you openly.

6:5 And when you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites are: for
they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the
streets, that they may be seen of men. Truthfully I say unto you, They
have their reward.

6:6 But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have
shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your
Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly.

6:7 But when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do:
for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

6:8 Be not you therefore like unto them: for your Father knows what
things you have need of, before you ask him.

6:9 After this manner therefore pray you: Our Father which are in
heaven, Hallowed be your name.

6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done in earth, as it is in
heaven.

6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For
yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father
will also forgive you:

6:15 But if you forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your
Father forgive your trespasses.

6:16 Moreover when you fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad
countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto
men to fast. Truthfully I say unto you, They have their reward.

6:17 But you, when you fast, anoint your head, and wash your face;

6:18 That you appear not unto men to fast, but unto your Father which
is in secret: and your Father, which sees in secret, shall reward you
openly.

6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and
rust corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth
nor rust corrupts, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be sound,
your whole body shall be full of light.

6:23 But if your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of
darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great
is that darkness!

6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one,
and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the
other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what you
shall eat, or what you shall drink; nor yet for your body, what you
shall put on. Is not the life more than food, and the body than
clothing?

6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they
reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are
you not much better than they?

6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his
stature?

6:28 And why take you thought for clothing? Consider the lilies of the
field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was
not arrayed like one of these.

6:30 Therefore, if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today
exists, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more
clothe you, O you of little faith?

6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What
shall we drink? or, How shall we be clothed?

6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek
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heavenly Father knows that you have need of all these things.

6:33 But seek you first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and
all these things shall be added unto you.

6:34 Take therefore no thought for the next day: for the next day
shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day
is the evil thereof.

7:1 Judge not, that you be not judged.

7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with
what measure you mete out, it shall be measured back to you again.

7:3 And why do you behold the speck that is in your brother's eye, but
consider not the beam that is in your own eye?

7:4 Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull out the speck out
of your eye; and, behold, a beam is in your own eye?

7:5 You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and
then shall you see clearly to cast out the speck out of your brother's
eye.

7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your
pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn
again and tear you.

7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock,
and it shall be opened unto you:

7:8 For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to
him that knocks it shall be opened.

7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he
give him a stone?

7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

7:11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your
children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good
things to them that ask him?

7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to
you, do even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

7:13 Enter you in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad
is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in
there:

7:14 Because narrow is the gate, and constricted is the way, which
leads unto life, and few there be that find it.

7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

7:16 You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of
thorns, or figs of thistles?

7:17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt
tree brings forth evil fruit.

7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt
tree bring forth good fruit.

7:19 Every tree that does not bring forth good fruit is hewn down, and
cast into the fire.

7:20 Therefore by their fruits you shall know them.

7:21 Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in
heaven.

7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in
your name done many wonderful works?

7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from
me, you that work iniquity.

7:24 Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a
rock.

7:26 And every one that hears these sayings of mine, and does them
not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon
the sand:

7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall thereof.

7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the
people were astonished at his doctrine:

7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the
scribes.
 
As a Christian, I stand with Jesus. Rick Perry (and these wingnuts who think there's a moral or religious basis to support Israel, whatever that means) needs to read the Bible, especially the New Testament. They'll find that God isn't a racist.
 
As a Jew- stop acting like a schmuck, Perry.- Larry David

As a Hindi, chill out- Gahndi

As a Buddhist, you should be censored!- Chairman Mao

As an atheist, what the hell does your religious views have anything to do with 10MM people who have no clue who you are?- Atheist people everywhere.

Don't forget there's a separation of Church and State for a good reason- Our Founding Fathers

As a Christian, I want you to vote for me because I'm going to out-religious the other candidates for a job that has little to nothing to do with religion- Rick Perry
 
Wrong Borna. The Balfour declaration was not going to pass without pressure and support from the US. The UN voted to created Israel, which is exactly what the Palestinians want the UN to do for a Palestinian State. Israel would not have existed with the UN voting for its creation. And again it took pressure from the US to voting parties to get the vote to pass.
 
As an atheist, I despise when candidates pander to the religious crowd. But at this point I don't care if we vote a religous fucknut to white house as long as he can fix the damn economy.
 
re the Balfour plan: the Brits were busy stirring up the arabs to fight the Turks so the Suez canal would be safe and to put some pressure on the Germans' ally. The arabs got stirred up. The Brits promised a homeland for the Jews to get zionist support for themselves and to put pressure on the US, where the Brits believed the zionists had some influence and which was the Brits only hope of defeating the Germans.

While promising the Jews a homeland, the Brits were promising self determination for the arabs. See any contradiction there? No matter, like sex a man will say anything in some circumstances.

Meanwhile the Brits were promising the French that they would carve up what was left of Turkey after the War. They did. They tried to put the Jews off on Palestine and install puppet kings in arabia. Do I need to tell you how all that worked out?

The Brits tried to keep the jews out of Palestine after WW II because they knew bad things would happen. After jewish terrorists blew up the King David Hotel along with a covey of Brit officers, the Brits said to hell with it, we are broke anyway and let them all kill each other.

The US had interests in both the jews and the arabs (seems there was some oil and we had designs on replacing the europeans as the primary beneficiaries of it) and we tried to temporize. Our secretary of state, George Marshall, was against pushing for a jewish state but Harry Truman, president as a result of FDR's stroke and death, had read his bible and said let her rip. And it has ripped ever since.

We should have invited the jews to come here. The ones we did get from Russia and pre war Hitlerite Germany have enriched this country beyond anyone else who has come here. How great would it have been if all those remaining German, French and Polish jews had come here instead of to that godforsaken pos land they are now surrounded in.

We may get them all eventually anyway.

I admire Israel beyond all other countries except maybe Germany but the religious whackos have been in the saddle for a good while and their lying sos leader is Putinesque in his skills and Obama is overmatched but at least looking out for the interests of our country, which is more than you can say for his opponents.
 
It is not accurate to say that Truman supported Israel because of religion. Not at all. There is a video - perhaps it's even on Youtube somewhere - where Truman talks about his friendship with Chaim Weizman, who basically made the case for Israel with hours of meetings in the White House. Remember that Zionism was actually a secular Jewish movement. It was about Jewish nationalism. Israel was born of hard work by a determined group who knew how to lobby. The Jews willed Israel into existence. It wasn't just handed to them.

The best I can say for the Palestinians right now is at least they have figured out that lobbying the world for support beats blowing up buses.
 
The Jewish Israelis certainly believe that there is a spiritual/religious component to their existence and the unrelenting vengeance of the Arabs and the Muslim world toward them.

The Arab and Muslim world certainly believe the same.

The influential and wealthy American Jewish community who privately support Israel think the same.

The core of the strongest political support in the U.S. for Israel happens to be the Christian evangelical right. Most of that group believes that there is a spiritual/religious aspect to the battle between the three great monotheist religions for control of Jerusalem, the holy city of all three great religions.

For the secular atheist American left, who thinks that all believing Jews, Muslims and Christians are mentally retarded "lesser-thans," not any of these people's views are rational or even worth listening to.

If a Buddhist said he supported Tibet because he was a Buddhist, the left wouldn't mock him as if he were talking about UFOs. That's because these days, Buddhism is a "cool" religion but Christianity is not.
 
As for Tibet, my main point wasn't the comparison between "religions," but just to say that if a person said, "I support the 'Free Tibet' movement because I am a Buddhist," I doubt that anyone would think to criticize it, but to say, "I support Israel because I am a Christian" seems to draw a vitriolic reaction.

Are you saying, Dionysus, that the difference is that Buddhism--properly understood--is just a philosophy? We may actually be saying the same thing. I'll have to think about it.
 
This is where I agree with Borna. Zionism is secular, it is not an indictment against Jews or Judaism. Too many people who say they are against Zionism are labeled as anti-semites, which is completely false. As my geometry teacher would say, A rectangle is a square, but a square does not have to be a rectangle.

Israel absolutely came about because of hard work by Zionists. Ill give them all the credit in the world. There were prominent Jews in the US that convinced Truman that Israel needed US support to happen, and it did. The British would not have succeeded in passing the Balfour declaration without the US giving its blessing.
 
And on behalf of my family and millions of others, thank God for Zionism. They saw the problem and created a solution at exactly the right time. It is an amazing story of resilience against incredible odds.

And saying anti-Zionism has nothing to do with anti-semitism is like saying you don't have a problem with black people as long as they don't move into your neighborhood.
 
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