People of Egypt and the Military, take over

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I can't help but think this is a bad precedent for democracy in the ME. This sends the message that if you demonstrate loud enough and with a lot of people you can remove the government with the help of the military. Rather than going the route of standard political processes for change Egypt is replacing leaders on a whim. One of these times the military won't simply accede control.
 
Well, the leadership was terrible. This will be followed up by elections. Fortunately in the U.S. we've a history of great presidents established by George Washington. Had someone like Aaron Burr, who came close to the presidency, gotten the job and not done well for the country and stifled progress towards harmony, justice and economic prosperity, we might have needed a do-over here. Fortunately we had great leadership and over the course of a few decades had established traditions of respect for the judiciary, respect for rights of minorities, etc., that we could continue to progress. We had to do a new constitution after the Articles of Confederation proved unworkable.
 
Would anyone with half a brain say Egypt had democracy under Morsi and the islamists?

would anyone with half a brain say the election process that put Morsi in power was democratic?

The people have been promised an election by the military. Of course I guess it is possible they could end up worse off than Mubarak or Morse although it is hard to imagine how.
The numbers of people calling for a fair democratic election are hundreds of times bigger than those calling for Mubarak gone.

I want to wish the Egyptian people well. It took courage to do what they did. when they started out they didn't know the military wouldn't kill them like Assad's did.


on a side note I salute our second amendment and our constitution .
 
I'm with 6721 on this one. The people were screwed in the way that morsi took over and by his actions while in office. Rather than be apathetic, they took to the streets and demanded change. Maybe this will set a terrible precedent as far as military takeovers. Maybe it will set a great precedent that you can't ignore the will of the people in the more moderate Middle Eastern countries. Either way, I'm happy to see that some people care enough about their country to do something when the guy in charge is a complete shitbag.
 
Larry T
You are quite right, military in other countries will likely not be as znxious for real democracy as it seems the Egyptian military is

it is really great to see the Egyptian people celebrate what they feel is a step toward real democracy.

Was anyone else surprised to see all the anti BO and anti BO ambassador and all the hatred toward BO by the Egyptian people?
 
Oh come on 6721. Hussein came to power in a coup. He was a secularist Baathist, not an Islamist. There is no comparison with him and Morsi. You are so intellectually dishonest. Its all about Obama looking bad to you. I'm a secularist and not a fan of the Islamic brotherhood. But there is a legitimate claim that a bad precedent is being set here. Is this just a return to military rule? Was there no recourse to the ballot box?

I'm looking forward to your spin.
 
This is all good for our only ally in the region, Israel. I'm sure they didn't want another Islamist government right on their border.

Let's face it, The weak ME democracies in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Egypt will not last. That region has always been ruled by strong dictators like Assad, Hussein, and Mubarek.
 
saa
you asked
" Was there no recourse to the ballot box? "

Please answer your own question if you can.
When was the next election scheduled in Egypt?
have you read anything about the day to day conditions for the Egyptian people and how they have changed since morsi took over?
so when was the next scheduled election? NOW because of the military there is an election.

BO looking bad? I only pointed out the large numbers of protestors who also took the time to make signs against BO and the Amb. BO makes himself look bad. Those protestors didn't need anyone to point that out BO had supported the Morsi and MB

Vis a vis military coup and whether this action in Egypt is a ' bad precedent" Can anyone think of another military coup that ended with an announced election to follow, that ended with heads of most of the reasonable factions standing alongside the military and speaking with the military?
including BTW the leader of the Coptic CHRISTIANS.



It is still possible that the MB and hardline islamists will regroup and win another election like they did with Morsi but the chances this time are slimmer.
 
You know, we wouldnt have even had a United States if our forefathers hadnt taken matters into their own hands militarily to overthrow the undemocratic British rule....

Id say Egyptians have more spine than modern day Americans. Good for them.
 
HaHa. Yes us libs...

He is simply afraid to take positions until he knows which way the winds are blowing. He then has someone type it into the teleprompter until it is just right.

If we have no interest in peace and economics elsewhere, why does this thread exist and why did you feel a need to make an opinion?

He just last week lectured the same guy on democracy. Go figure.
 
Obama had to publicly back Morsi at first. But he and every US military commander are certainly not unhappy about this, and Israel has to be loving this.

Things are going well for the United States. Why risk messing things up?

Egypt will be a game-changer in the Middle East. Radical Muslims will be brought to heel by a much larger population of moderates, Christians, and westernized young people.
 
As bad as the outcome has been (with the military coup) and with the instability that it will likely generate, I am fine with what is going on in Egypt and how the US is staying out of it. I actually don't need Obama or any other US leader to back one side or the other. I would rather them influence things where they can privately.

But on to why the coup can be good for Egypt. Number one, Morsi was systematically picking apart the constitution and collecting power for himself. He essentially had control of the judiciary and I think was on the way to marginalizing the legislature there. Whoever, is elected by Egyptians needs to respect the constitution and do what he can to benefit the country. Egypt has big problems with unemployment, finances, and even potential food shortages. The President needs to find a way to either improve those problems or stay out of the populaces way as they do.

Number two, it will be good for the Christians in Egypt. It isn't reported here but since Morsi was elected and the government turned more and more Islamist, the church there suffered. Many were having they possessions stolen or destroyed. Many were imprisoned for their beliefs. Others were being murdered leaving the families without even hope for justice. This may be a personal thing, but Egypt needs a leader and government that will protect all citizens and accept them despite their belief system.

Number three, Egypt needs financial help. It has for years. The problem was that aid was starting to dry up due to Morsi's Islamist affiliation and his usurping the constitution. This is likely the main reason the military intervened. With a more respected president, that aid is more likely to continue.

It's all in flux now though. Who knows what will happen. I am glad the US is staying out for the most part. I am sure there have been talks with the military though.
 
I wish BO would stay out of instead of saying he was "deeply concerned". He could have and should have found ways to avoid saying anything for a few days. something he is particularly good at.

At least he did not call it a coup. Good for you BO
Now stay on vacay a few more days as things shake out and then you can act like your "Cairo" speech inspired this overthrow
OH wait you already used that. How'd that turn out for you?
 
I think BO tried to stay out of it but his comment on it angered the people of Egypt who were protesting.

I was surprised at the number of Egyptians protesting who made signs blasting BO and the US amb.
Egypt's Al-Tahrir newspaper has a front-page message (in English) for President Obama today
Headline" it's a Revolution not a Coup Mr. Obama"
 
Husker
remind yourself of the ' Somali pirate' incident and then explain how you think that is similar to what is going on in Egypt.
 
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