Ordering your pastrami with cheese in Arizona

texas_ex2000

texas_ex2000

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My gay buddy jokingly said that if the governor veto'd the bill, you'd finally be able to get that hot pastrami with cheese at the Phoenix kosher delhi.

I laughed. It's a good move for that governor to veto the bill. I guess wedding photographers/bakers can't refuse service?
 
it sounds as if the way the bill was worded, it would include any and all types businesses. If that's the case, I think it's a bad bill. However, there has to be some protection for businesses - particularly privately owned businesses - to make decisions of conscience in terms of situations in which they will or will not provide services.

There needs to be a distinction between general services - such as restaurants, hair salons, grocery stores, clinics, etc..., ones that provide open door services to the general public - and service providers who contract their skills out for hire. If you run a detective agency or a law firm, you have the right to decide whether you will take a case. If I were to run some sort of construction business, I should have the right to turn down jobs if I choose - for whatever reason! Maybe it's workload, maybe I just don't like the people I'm dealing with... whatever it might be.

Here's another example - how about if I'm a model (BWAHAHAHAHAA.... ok seriously...) and I'm a militant anti-fur person. But a coat manufacturer wants me to pose in fur. Does this apply to me? Can I refuse my services to someone based on conscience? I would think so! So how is it that if I'm a caterer, I should be compelled by law to serve a marriage which is offensive to my conscience? For that matter, are we going to say you can't say no to a job because the couple is gay, but you COULD say no if it's your ex-wife marrying some scumbag that you can't stand? Or is the right of selective refusal now gone for good?

The problem is that this is issue is being framed as conservatives trying to encroach into business with new rules. But in fact, it's a reaction to encroachments onto rights that had never been challenged before! Ten years ago, it would have been unthinkable for the government to say "you have to take this contract and provide this service to the requesting party." But this is what happens when the government decides that it's no longer enough to have equal protection - it now must be equal acceptance; it has now become about social engineering and attempting to force acceptance and approval of whatever the government believes we should approve.

The only outcome is an unacceptable level of infringements on personal liberty.
 
1. Its a bad business decision for the state because this is about gays. We can come up with a million scenarios that this may come into play later, but for now this is about making it ok not to serve gays in places like restaurants.

2. I think any group should be able to not serve any other group. At this point in our society it will kill your business in days. The noodle place by UT went out of business about a week after the owner posted on facebook that he didnt care that the kids at sandy hook died because they were white. People flipped their **** on him.
 
Extreme example (and not saying I would say this or support it or anything): should a gay baker be forced to bake cakes that say "God hates fags" or anything like that?

And for the record - my God doesn't hate anyone.
 
the issue with the bakery is gritty.
They didn't refuse to bake them cakes
just not wedding cakes

I don't know the way to solve this that honors both sides
 
I like the solution that they would have to sell them a cake off the shelf but they would not have to bake them a special cake as a contracted service. My understanding of the proposed law is that it would allow them to ban gays from entering the store because they are gay. If true, that is absurd.
 
I went to Taco Bell for lunch today. I ordered a taco with fried pickles on it. They refused to serve me. Do I have some sort of discrimination case against them?

Just so I know who, is everyone who posted on this topic a homophobe? I want to make sure I discredit any opinion they might have by calling them names.
 
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