Oprah Winfrey 2020?

[ShAArk92]

@ProdigalHorn

I know ... I included the Calabrese article as a rebuttal of the claim "Oprah is a Christian."

What I'm also saying, though clearly not very well, this is supposed to be irrelevant according to what we were instructed by the enlightened 10 years ago ... well, and even during the 2000 election.

 

[NJlonghorn]

I think the friction here arises from a distinction between what Calabrese and many of you see as "being Christian" and what most liberal Christians and many moderate Christians see as "being Christian."

Before I start, let me clarify that I'm not saying the left's view is accurate, or that it has any textual basis. In fact, I would agree that the left's view of Christianity isn't really Christianity ... but it is a large slice of what is commonly called "Christianity" in today's America.

Essentially, this new (bastardized?) breed of Christianity is a guide to morality. It's practitioners don't accept the doctrinal parts of Christianity, including the fundamental idea that only Christ can grant salvation. Many of them don't even believe in God, much less that Christ is his son. And even if they do accept the fundamental doctrines, they don't consider them to be the most important aspects of Christianity. Instead, they see Christ as a model for how to live a moral life -- feeding the hungry, treating the ill, turning the other cheek, being humble and respectful, welcoming strangers, etc.

Viewed through this lens, Oprah Winfrey is a good Christian and Donald Trump is not. This may not square with fundamental Christianity, but it is not even a tiny bit hypocritical.

 

[ShAArk92]

I guess I'm just ate-up in trying to communicate ... these decongestant drugs are really something ...

anyhow ... thanks NJ.

 

[ShAArk92]

no religious test ...

video

 

[ProdigalHorn]

Again... I don't know what you're arguing against. Who has said that Oprah shouldn't be allowed to run or is ineligible?

The article that you linked said not a word about whether Oprah should be disqualified from office. The article was specifically about the view that many mainstream Christians seem to have of Oprah as being "one of them." Is that a wide-spread idea? No idea. But it's beyond dispute that her views are not mainstream Christian. NJ alluded to this as well. No question she's in line with more progressive, secular Christianity that's more prominent in the northeast.

Do you get that there is a difference between Sanders saying that someone cannot be appointed to a government position because of their Christian faith, as opposed to someone saying that a person who's being touted for public office does not follow what most Christians view to be actual Christian faith?

Do you think that if Oprah were to be nominated, run, and win, that the government would refuse to instate her? Because that's the parallel to the video you posted. The issue is that that guy is being blocked from appointment because of a religious belief that has no bearing on whether he can do his job.

 

[ShAArk92]

NJ alluded to this as well. No question she's in line with more progressive, secular Christianity that's more prominent in the northeast.

which seems to be ... "not-Christian" ...

Just clarifying for those who think they want to believe O is Christian, when it's clear from what she says ... she's not.

There's that point ... because I've seen it used as a point of superiority of Trump's being POTUS ... and then there's the "it's not supposed to matter" but for Bernie it clearly does, while violating the Constitution (again)

Do you get that there is a difference between Sanders saying that someone cannot be appointed to a government position

yes, you asked me that before. FeeltheBern isn't the authority on this, the Constitution is and it clearly states "no religious test"

Therefore, it's curious to me that for a presumed point of superiority to Trump as POTUS ... this one is heralded ... and it's unConstitutional.

Really living in la la land, here. (not you specifically, but those who'd endorse Winfrey)

Do you think that if Oprah were to be nominated, run, and win, that the government would refuse to instate her?

no ... and I'm not sure how that question arises, but it's answered.

 

[NJlonghorn]

... more progressive, secular Christianity that's more prominent in the northeast ... does not follow what most Christians view to be actual Christian faith ...

More accurately, they don't follow traditional Christian faith, which is quite divorced from "what most Christians view to be actual Christian faith." And yes, this trend towards secular Christianity is strongest in the Northeast (and West), but it is happening everywhere. I saw an article a while ago discussing how a large fraction of Christians have decidedly unorthodox views of what Christianity is. I couldn't find that article in a quick search, but I did find this one, with similar findings.

 

[iatrogenic]

Instead, they see Christ as a model for how to live a moral life -- feeding the hungry, treating the ill, turning the other cheek, being humble and respectful, welcoming strangers, etc.

Viewed through this lens, Oprah Winfrey is a good Christian and Donald Trump is not. This may not square with fundamental Christianity, but it is not even a tiny bit hypocritical.

Donald Trump employs over 22,000 people. Oprah employs 90. When it comes to welcoming strangers, feeding the hungry, and treating the ill there is no comparison between the two. Oprah, like everyone else, probably has him hands down on the respectful characteristic.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Apparently the dudes didn't virtue signal enough at Golden Globes. Link. Of course, if they, they would have been ripped for "making it about them," but that's beside the point.