Occupy Wall Street

Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
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First of all, I'm not going to pay $25 for a Whataburger value meal. 2nd, these people need to be escorted out of the country. anyone with these views should be moved to siberia.
 
I find the movement interesting, and I consider it the exact counterpart to the Tea Pary. There are radicals spouting pipe dream nonsense in both groups.
If the Occupy Wall Street group becomes more realistic in their demands, I see this as becoming something viable, and influencing elections, just like the counterpart Tea Party group.
There needs to be a balance to the Tea Pary, and this could well fulfill that role. Right now they are all letting off their rage against the machine, but that is just what the Tea Party did. then they settled down and decided to actually be a force in the democratic process, and toned down some of the bomb thrower types. This Occupy Wall Street group could do the same, or maybe they will stay too far outside the political process. We will see over time. They are raising serious issues which resonate with many. They need to be heard.
I think the mainstream media is beginning to cover them, because the movement is spreading to several other locales, not just NYC.
Their success all depends on how the movement evolves-there's no reason it can't be another Tea Pary. But maybe they won't tone it down and seek more realistic goals.
 
Does anybody on here know what the goal of the Tea Party is in 2012? First and foremost is to replace as many Rhino Republicans as possible in the primaries. To hold the Republican Party to the principles of conservative platforms of Reagan and in my opinion Goldwater as Reagan gets too much credit.

The goal is to move congress far enough to the right that whoever is President does not matter, they want to put the power back in the hands of the people not a popular ego driven individual with the responsibilities of paying his cronies that got him elected back(that could be a democrat or a republican).

The Tea Party will nominate and run to expose our conservative beliefs and that we will hold Republicans and to a lessor extent Democrats to Conservative beliefs.

You may not like the Tea Party but in my area it is a large number of people that are tired of our money being thrown down the drain and we will be holding our Congressman responsible.
 
I do not know how any reasonable person, in this economy and with this amount of governmental debt & spending, cannot align with the Tea Party.
 
If anyone can appreciate the power of protesting, it's me. But what these knuckleheads are doing is nothing, but a joke. If they really wanted to change the system, why not try doing from the inside. Start your own party, nominate your own candidates and pass your own legislation. That's how it works. Not protesting, just to look good or hang out. Go take a shower and do something meaningful with your lives.

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How can you take anybody serious, when they believe crap like that?
 
My question is that if you guarantee a living wage at a job, but then two steps later guarantee a living wage even without a job, what is the incentive to work for your wage?

This is beyond stupid, and into logic 101 territory.
 
The Tea Party seemed just as nonsensical initially, they were doing nothing but ranting and raving with no agenda.
This movement may become a legitimate political force or it may not, depending on how it coalesces, and if it finds some leaders who want to actually exert influence. It may go nowhere.
And plenty of people have no desire to be part of the Tea Party. Get a grip. Not everyone thinks like you do.
 
wonder what percentage of them are invested in the market.

this only hurts the party in power and BHO. it shows the unrest in the country.

I saw a sign one of them had which read, "if there was no money, we would all be rich"
 
I'm eagerly awaiting the media's careful analysis of these demands to investigate whether they are feisible and whether they might in fact be driven more by a radical ideology than any specific grievance. I'm sure we'll see that any day, because they did it to the tea party within days.
 
These idiots are now in Dallas, protesting at the Federal Reserve, and I can hear them from my office. These methhead commies need to find jobs. This entire movement is a collective bunch of morons.
 
All these former employees of Amy's ice cream and Starbucks need to realize that these jobs are not going to pay them $20 an hr. Cut the hair and shave the facial hair and get a degree in something other than sanskrit or anthropology and you might get a decent paying job.
 
I was in Chicago this week for a trade show and the occupy mob was roughly 70-100 strong roaming the streets. The group was predominantly white college to just post college age hellions. There were a few outliers to this generalization, but overall this was accurate. The group carried mixed message protest signs against Wall street, against bank bailouts, against "the rich" and finally for "fair is fair".

Several people were hammering away at 5 gallon buckets with large sticks remarkably similar to clubs. Several more were wearing Guy Fawkes masks and jumping over trash cans and benches near taxi/bus stops. I can't speak for all the occupy groups but this one was intimidating because it was not clear that they were peaceful. In fact, as a whole they looked ready to react should the circumstance present itself.

I consider myself a tea party supporter though I have only attended a handful of events, and the mob I saw in the Windy city in no way represented the same crowd.
 
I saw where the unions were going to join the protest. A beautiful coupling for sure.

I haven't actually heard anyone defending these kooks but I have heard some comparing them to the tea party. I think that is laughable but what can you do.

The amazing thing is that they want $20/hour for menial work. They want living wages for the unemployed. They seem to justify it by imposing tarriffs on foreign goods coming into the country. It is a buy American idea, I suppose, to justify the higher wages. The hilarious thing is that if we were to do this, the price of everything would go up proportionately and a $20/hour guy would have a lifestyle no different than the current minimum wage guy does now.

I honestly think these people think that we can somehow increase wages for everyone, not buy foreign goods and expect the prices of goods and services to remain the same. It is insanity.

As a movement their ideas are so extreme I can not see how they actually get any traction.

At the end of the day, the tea party wants no tax increases and spending cuts. Seems everyone agrees we need spending cuts and most people agree that tax increases will be necessary as well. The sticking point is that they expect the cuts to be REAL before the tax increases go into affect. At least that is a reasonable position and is debatable. This other bunch is so far out of touch with reality it is scary.
 
I35.
completely agree that our power and economic prosperity are because we are capatilist and capatilism is by far superior to ANY other economic system....However, unbridled capatilism can be not only morally reprehensible but also damaging to itself.

if Unbridled capatilism (ie, no acknowledgement of larger social issues) is the end-all, be-all then what is your position on:
1. Monopolies
2. Child labor
3. unlicensed doctors
4. asbestos
5. pharmaceutical induced birth defects
6. companies that sell tech to Iran

All I'm trying to say is that if we hold capitalism up as this untouchable religious ideal then we get capitalist and "captains of industry" that will do anything and everything to maximize profit, not matter the consequences to the rest of the country.

Most people, Most CEO's, Most companies will play within accepted norms without regulation, but we all know that there are many ******** that are so greedy they will screw anyone they have to, to get their cut. Regulations are necessary to stop those folks.

Taxes are not always about redistribution of wealth and sometimes when companies fail to do the right thing of their own accord, they bring it on themselves.
 
If the 'occupiers' were sincere in their goals, they would be marching on D.C. The corporations did nothing that the government didn't allow them to do. The corporations are protected by politicians, remove that protection and you might actually get something done.

But, that would require biting the hand that feeds dreams of 'living wages', 'tax the rich', free healthcare and other lollipops and unicorns.

And then here come the unions to throw their weight around. Blindly ignoring the fact that Herr Obama and Chairman Buffet were selling access for $10k a pop just two weeks ago.

These rubes are being used in con game and they are too stupid and bright-eyed to figure it out.
 
Start your own party, nominate your own candidates and pass your own legislation. That's how it works. Not protesting, just to look good or hang out.
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i think they sort of took over the democrats since thye have publicly supported these dirty fools.
 
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