Obama's parting gifts to the American people

[Joe Fan]

Suicide bomber who attacked a military base in Iraq was a former Gitmo detainee

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

 

[Seattle Husker]

I wonder how Drudge covered the organizations behind the "Tea Party"? Did hundreds and thousands of people simply spontaneously appear at the same locations with signs in hand?

 

[mchammer]

I wonder how Drudge covered the organizations behind the "Tea Party"? Did hundreds and thousands of people simply spontaneously appear at the same locations with signs in hand?

Yes - we don't have Soros on our side.

 

[Horn6721]

Husker,
That is exactly what happened. Btw if you paid attention to the signs back then over 90% were hand made.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Husker,
That is exactly what happened. Btw if you paid attention to the signs back then over 90% were hand made.

They spontaneously showed up in the same location? Someone better tell David Koch that Americans for Prosperity wasted it's money. How 'bout Our Country Deserves Better PAC that ran a bus tour across the country. Or FreedomWorks which "trains volunteers, mobilizes campaigns and encourages them to mobilize". That sure sounds a lot like what the liberal activist groups are doing now but apparently FreedomWorks either doesn't exist or didn't help the Tea Party according to you. It was all spontaneous.

I guess none of these organizations had anything to do with the movement:

Organizations
Non-profit social welfare organizations (IRS classification 501(c)(4))
Note: the self-reported membership numbers below are several years old.

• Tea Party Patriots, an organization with more than 1,000 affiliated groups across the nation[198] that proclaims itself to be the "Official Home of the Tea Party Movement".[199]
• Americans for Prosperity, an organization founded by David H. Koch in 2003, and led by Tim Phillips. The group has over 1 million members in 500 local affiliates and led protests against health care reform in 2009.[192]
• FreedomWorks, an organization led by Matt Kibbe. The group has over 1 million members in 500 local affiliates. It makes local and national candidate endorsements.[192]
• Tea Party Express, a national bus tour run by Our Country Deserves Better PAC, itself a conservative political action committee created by Sacramento-based Republican consulting firm Russo, Marsh, and Associates.[200][201][202][203]

FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity, and DontGo, a free market political activist non-profit group, were guiding the Tea Party movement in April 2009, according to The Atlantic.[169] Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks were "probably the leading partners" in the September 2009 Taxpayer March on Washington, also known as the 9/12 Tea Party, according to The Guardian.[79]

For-profit businesses

• Tea Party Nation, which sponsored the National Tea Party Convention that was criticized for its $549 ticket price[204][205][206][207] and because Palin was apparently paid $100,000 for her appearance (which she put towards SarahPAC[208]).[209]

Informal organizations and coalitions

• The National Tea Party Federation, formed on April 8, 2010, by several leaders in the Tea Party movement to help spread its message and to respond to critics with a quick, unified response.[210]
• The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, a loose national coalition of several dozen local tea party groups.[211]

Student movement

• Tea Party Students organized the 1st National Tea Party Students Conference, which was hosted by Tea Party Patriots at its American Policy Summit in Phoenix on February 25–27, 2011. The conference included sessions with Campus Reform, Students For Liberty, Young America’s Foundation, and Young Americans for Liberty.[212]

Other influential organizations include Americans for Limited Government, the training organization American Majority, the Our Country Deserves Better political action committee, and Glenn Beck's 9-12 Project, according to the National Journal in February 2010

 

[I35]

I wonder how Drudge covered the organizations behind the "Tea Party"? Did hundreds and thousands of people simply spontaneously appear at the same locations with signs in hand?

Actually they most spontaneously showed up at town hall meeting complaining to their own party to do something about Obamacare which were the Republicans.

 

[Horn6721]

Yes Husker when a townhall was cheduled and announced tea partiers spontaneously showed up. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Do you never go hear what your elected pols have to Say?
There were NO paid protestors/ attendees.
IIRC the bus tour was an event with maybe 20 people on the bus who then spoke to the crowd.
It was not a bus bringng in protestors.
Now if an event was planned for a state capitol ot zDC yes peop,e chartered buses to get there
But there were no buses of Republicans bused into say Seattle to protest a town hall

 

[Seattle Husker]

Yes Husker when a townhall was cheduled and announced tea partiers spontaneously showed up. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Do you never go hear what your elected pols have to Say?
There were NO paid protestors/ attendees.
IIRC the bus tour was an event with maybe 20 people on the bus who then spoke to the crowd.
It was not a bus bringng in protestors.
Now if an event was planned for a state capitol ot zDC yes peop,e chartered buses to get there
But there were no buses of Republicans bused into say Seattle to protest a town hall

Oh...I see you are assuming these protesters are "paid" which I'd point out there is no current evidence of. Keep in mind, the initial statement was that these protests were being "organized" by activist groups which is what happened with the Tea Party participants.

Essentially, in both cases there were well funded groups to organize the passionate participants to attend the town hall meetings. I'm not sure why that is such a controversial idea. For some reason there is an irrational sentiment to demonstrate the other side is different. Actually, they aren't other than they have a different perspective. In both cases, the participants don't know about the Town Halls and show up en mass without the influence of activist groups.

Here is Trump's tweet on the topic. My post was to show that the same thing occurred for the Tea Party.

 

[mchammer]

SH,

Why is it the Dem party needs get out the vote (GOTV) efforts to win elections and not Republicans? Apparently, Dems require money for both votes and to have protesters show up to protest.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Yes Husker when a townhall was cheduled and announced tea partiers spontaneously showed up. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Do you never go hear what your elected pols have to Say?
There were NO paid protestors/ attendees.
IIRC the bus tour was an event with maybe 20 people on the bus who then spoke to the crowd.
It was not a bus bringng in protestors.
Now if an event was planned for a state capitol ot zDC yes peop,e chartered buses to get there
But there were no buses of Republicans bused into say Seattle to protest a town hall

You do realize that "bus bringing in protesters" is a BS claim right? Even Rep. Chaffetz has now backed off that claim. Whereas previously he stated they were bussed across state lines he now claims they were Utah residents but from outside his district.

 

[Seattle Husker]

SH,

Why is it the Dem party needs get out the vote (GOTV) efforts to win elections and not Republicans? Apparently, Dems require money for both votes and to have protesters show up to protest.

Put up or shut up. Where's the proof the protesters are paid? Without that proof, the claim is laughable in the context of 1.5M people showing up for Womxn's March and other assorted marches. It's so laughable as to impact the credibility of the one claiming it.

 

[mchammer]

Put up or shut up. Where's the proof the protesters are paid? Without that proof, the claim is laughable in the context of 1.5M people showing up for Womxn's March and other assorted marches. It's so laughable as to impact the credibility of the one claiming it.

Two lines of proof:
- Craig's list entries
- People outside of state or crossing district lines to protest. No one does that unless paid.

 

[mchammer]

Put up or shut up. Where's the proof the protesters are paid? Without that proof, the claim is laughable in the context of 1.5M people showing up for Womxn's March and other assorted marches. It's so laughable as to impact the credibility of the one claiming it.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/0...town-hall-protests-against-rep-tom-reed-ny23/

 

[Seattle Husker]

Two lines of proof:
- Craig's list entries
- People outside of state or crossing district lines to protest. No one does that unless paid.

An anonymous Craig's List entry? Crossing state lines? Surely you have more evidence than that. Assuming the accusation of "crossing state lines" is true (even Chaffetz has recanted) how is that evidence of being paid? Hundreds of thousands used their own money to travel to D.C. for the Womxn's march yet you thing they wouldn't travel a much shorter distance to voice their opinion to a Congressman?

Where's James O'Keefe when you need him? He's so busy trying to get publicity for a 2009 story that he's missing out on a easy pickings to prove these protesters are getting paid. Seriously, he simply needs to answer a Craig's List add, make some money and show up at a Town Hall and film it. Veritas...paging Veritas....

 

[Seattle Husker]

http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/0...town-hall-protests-against-rep-tom-reed-ny23/

That thread blows your last argument out of the water. It's not claiming anyone was paid. In fact, it's not even demonstrating anyone crossing state line but rather people traveling within the State of New York (Cornell students). I'm not sure what the argument is...that the participants at these town halls are organized? Duh...just like their Tea Party predecessors. Is that really controversial or is the rub really that there is a groundswell of dissatisfaction that is being targeted at these Congressman? If so, surely you were here on Hornfans chastising the Tea Party in 2009/2010.

 

[mchammer]

That thread blows your last argument out of the water. It's not claiming anyone was paid. In fact, it's not even demonstrating anyone crossing state line but rather people traveling within the State of New York (Cornell students). I'm not sure what the argument is...that the participants at these town halls are organized? Duh...just like their Tea Party predecessors. Is that really controversial or is the rub really that there is a groundswell of dissatisfaction that is being targeted at these Congressman? If so, surely you were here on Hornfans chastising the Tea Party in 2009/2010.

The protesters and their stooges in the media are representing themselves to be concerned neighbors, when in fact they are professional agitators.

 

[Seattle Husker]

The protesters and their stooges in the media are representing themselves to be concerned neighbors, when in fact they are professional agitators.

OK.
Liberal organizations organizing efforts to voice feedback in congressional town halls = professional agitators.
Conservative organizations organizing efforts (Tea Party) to voice feedback in congressional town halls = patriots.

See the bias?

 

[mchammer]

OK.
Liberal organizations organizing efforts to voice feedback in congressional town halls = professional agitators.
Conservative organizations organizing efforts (Tea Party) to voice feedback in congressional town halls = patriots.

See the bias?

Cause and effect. Tea party groups organized after the spontaneous protests. For Dems, they hope for the opposite. See the difference?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Cause and effect. Tea party groups organized after the spontaneous protests. For Dems, they hope for the opposite. See the difference?

So, you're expanding the discussion beyond the Town Halls. The Town Halls were anything BUT spontaneous. The gatherings prior to those were but that isn't any different than the myriad of protests from the left at airports, city centers, etc.

This attempt to paint the right as 100% spontaneous while the left anger as organized but not representative of the anger is ludicrous. You need look no further than Trump's plummeting poll number (Quinnipiac and NBCNews/Survey Monkey) this week to see evidence of that.

 

[mchammer]

So, you're expanding the discussion beyond the Town Halls. The Town Halls were anything BUT spontaneous. The gatherings prior to those were but that isn't any different than the myriad of protests from the left at airports, city centers, etc.

This attempt to paint the right as 100% spontaneous while the left anger as organized but not representative of the anger is ludicrous. You need look no further than Trump's plummeting poll number (Quinnipiac and NBCNews/Survey Monkey) this week to see evidence of that.

If you don't think Dems need money to get voters to the polls or to participate in protests, unlike Republicans, you're blind.

 

[Joe Fan]

the final Q for Obama GDP is in

Q4 GDP at 1.9%

also the Trade Deficit ballooned near 9 year highs

 

[Joe Fan]

U.S. 2016 GDP

Q1: 0.8%
Q2: 1.4%
Q3: 3.5%
Q4: 1.9%

 

[Joe Fan]

US Stimulus 2008-2016

Fannie/Freddie:$7T
Federal deficits:$10T
State/Local deficits:$3T
QE: $4.7T
Total $24.7T

= 156k Sept Jobs

 

[Joe Fan]

these numbers^ are worse since Bannon was speaking here in 2011

 

[Brad Austin]

JF, I watched that Bannon vid from 2011 the other day. If only more people would take the time to watch this sobering, masterful speech and learn the reality we face.

I also watched the 2010 documentary Generation Zero, written and directed by Bannon. Wow! It's amazing how much Trump fits what he said America needs even back then.

Bannon is a special mind, no wonder most career politicians detest this guy and want him gone so bad.

 

[Joe Fan]

Amazing ....



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...oj-slush-fund-bankrolling-leftist-groups.html

"The Obama administration funneled billions of dollars to activist organizations through a Department of Justice slush fund scheme, according to congressional investigators.

“It’s clear partisan politics played a role in the illicit actions that were made,” Rep. John Ratcliffe, R-Texas, told Fox News. “The DOJ is the last place this should have occurred.”

Findings spearheaded by the House Judiciary Committee point to a process shrouded in secrecy whereby monies were distributed to a labyrinth of nonprofit organizations involved with grass-roots activism.

“Advocates for big government and progressive power are using the Justice Department to extort money from corporations,” Judicial Watch’s Tom Fitton told Fox News. “It’s a shakedown. It’s corrupt, pure and simple.”

There is a recent effort by Republicans to eliminate the practice, which many believe was widely abused during the Obama administration.​

 

[Joe Fan]

More on same as post above

https://politicallyshort.com/2016/05/22/the-obama-regimes-criminal-syndicate/

"...Following this pattern the DOJ has required these banks to distribute portions of their settlement payments to certain third-party groups which the DOJ directly influenced which groups would receive disbursements. Specifically, the DOJ narrowed the list of entities eligible to receive funds by selecting “HUD-approved housing counseling agencies” as the only entities to which the banks could make disbursements for credit. As the Wall Street Journal outlined in a piece highlighting the DOJ’s liberal slush fund, “the department is in the process of funneling more than half-a-billion dollars to liberal activist groups.”

Among the radical leftist groups pre-approved by the settlement agreements to directly receive funds from the banks is none other than The National Council of La Raza, which bills itself as “the nation’s largest Hispanic activist organization.” Yet, a brief history lesson on the reality of La Raza, which literally translates to “the race,” shows us that the group has been connected to the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), an extremist Mexican race hate group which firmly believes in exploiting illegal immigration to bring about ‘La Reconquista’, a violent overthrow of the southern U.S. states that would be absorbed into Greater Mexico. It should come as no surprise that La Raza is favored under these settlement agreements given that the racist organization supports the Democratic cause of open borders while Cecilia Munoz, a La Raza senior vice president, also serves on the White House Domestic Policy Council.

According to a February 2016 independent monitor report, there are 147 “HUD-approved counseling agencies” that make up these third party groups like La Raza that are currently receiving hundreds of millions of dollars directly from the banks under the DOJ settlement agreements......”

 

[Joe Fan]

.....Basically he's saying that they need to fix this issue before they alienate the world and become the 21st century version of South Africa, and potentially face all sorts of sanctions....

 

[Joe Fan]

The Obama Administration used Justice Department "slush funds" to funnel billions of dollars to liberal anti-Trump activist organizations.

 

[Joe Fan]

Obama corruption