'Not worth seeing in theater, but worth renting'

jcdenton

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I often hear people say this to describe movies which didn't necessarily suck but weren't very good either. But it seems to me that there's a fatal flaw in the logic of this statement. When you’re picking a movie to rent, there will virtually always be movies which weren’t worth watching in the theater AND movies which were worth watching in the theater. Thus the above statement presupposes that you’ve already completely exhausted the supply of movies which are available for rent AND were good enough to be worth seeing in the theater, thereby forcing you to resort to watching movies which were NOT good enough to watch in the theater. Obviously, with the vast number of good movies currently available on DVD and the widespread availability of such DVD’s, such a scenario is extremely unlikely.

Really, you could even take this a step further and say that, in order for the statement to be applicable, you would not only need to have watched ALL the movies in the former category, but you would need to have watched them a sufficient number of times that the marginal entertainment value of watching them an additional time is less than the projected entertainment value of watching a movie in the latter category for the first time (really, would someone be better off watching The Usual Suspects for the 10th time, or a Knight’s Tale for the first time?). Which makes the number of people that this applies to even more miniscule.

The only other exceptions I can think of where the statement might make sense are:

1) Movies which are extremely slow and long, but still good--provided that you can fast forward through the slow and long parts (and read the subtitles while doing so). For example The Majestic. When I watched it on DVD and fast forwarded through at least 25-30% of the movie at 4x speed, thus cutting it down from 3+ hours to 2+, it was actually quite good. But if I had to sit through the entire movie in realtime there's no way I would have made it through to the end.

2) Movies which have certain scenes that suck so completely and are so devoid of value that by skipping over them it improves the film dramatically. Examples include Being John Malkovich (every scene with Cameron Diaz), Lord of the Rings (every scene with Liv Tyler) and Episode 1.

3) Movies which are in English, but you can’t tell what the hell the actors are saying, thus making DVD subtitles necessary (Snatch, Gosford Park, Oklahoma).
 
this kind of reminds me of harmony korine's comment when he was promoting his book "a crackup at the race riots" when letterman asked why people should read it.

he said something to the effect of "well, i'd probably say to read an older book."

funny point, though. why rent "p.s. i love you" if you haven't seen "nashville?"
 
i think there are definitely movies that you feel may be worth 3-4 bucks to rent or see on pay-per-view, but don't look intriguing enough to deal with theater crowds and the higher costs.
 
There are many things someone might consider making that statement.
1. Kids want to see it. I'll let them watch it while I half watch it and do other things.
2. Price of a theater ticket buys the full experience. Sound, big screen, etc.... Many people see this as extra expense for little value for certain genres. Romantic comedies, love stories, some cartoon movies come to mind.
 
Dude, you're completely missing the point.

People frequently decide when a movie comes out in the theaters that they are going to catch it when it comes out on DVD to save the money. For example, my family can go to the movies for $40-$50 or so including concessions right now or we can rent a movie for $5 or so (we actually use Netflix so the cost is closer to $3, but whatever).

So the choice is not betwen that movie being rented or another movie being rented. We've already decided we want to watch that movie. The choice is between $40-$50 and $5. Some movies seem like they'll be worth the extra money. Most don't.
 
Types of movies I want to see in the theater: Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, War of the Worlds, etc.

Types of movies I'd want to rent: The rest of them. Mainly comedies, and chick flicks that my wife wants to see.

Edit: Oops, forgot the kiddo movies. I'll take her to see Kung Fu Panda, Wall-E, etc.
 
1. I see probably 5-10 movies at the theatre per year. I rent/PPV probably 40. I'm more selective about what I see at the theatre.

2. Often times going to a theatre is an inconvenience. But I'll do it for a really great movie that I don't want to wait 6 months to see. Many others, I still want to see, but can wait.

I always rank them:

1. See at the theatre
2. Rent when comes out
3. Watch when comes out on HBO
4. Won't see.
 
BTW I just thought of another exception: When the movie is worth seeing, but some people might be too embarassed to be seen watching it in the theater. For example adults going to see Babe, homophobes going to see Brokeback Mountain, guys going to see Romy and Michele's High School reunion, etc.

But again, as is the case for all of the other aforementioned exceptions, it makes much more sense to cite that as the specific reason, as opposed to generically saying "it's not worth seeing in the theater but worth renting".
 
I understand what you're getting at, but you are misunderstanding the decision.

The decision is not being made at the time of the rental. The decision is being made at the time that the movie is in the theater. The large number of other movies in rental inventory do not enter the equation at all. They are not a part of the decision.

Movie comes out
We decide we want to see that movie
$50 or $5?
If $50 then go see in theater, if not wait for DVD
DVD comes out
Rent DVD

There is no decision made between the movie in question and all the other movies. There is no logical problem with the statement that a movie is good enough to rent but not good enough to see in theaters. The logical problem is only created when you add extraneous information to the decision that has nothing to do with the actual decision being made. Your argument doesn't even address the statement it's attacking. Even if we grant that the movie now has to compete with all other movies available for rental, it still doesn't change the fact that the movie in question was not good enough to watch in a theater but is now a part of the pool of movies that are good enough to rent.

Your logic only refutes the statement "this movie isn't good enough to watch in theaters but will be the best movie possibly available to rent when it comes out on DVD." Which is a statement nobody makes.

Besides, I haven't even gotten into the problem of movies that were worth watching in the theater but actually lose value by being on DVD. Action movies, for example, lose value on DVD compared to theater because of the loss of the huge screen and amazingly large surround sound. For example, Live Free or Die Hard may have been ranked higher to watch in a theater than Knocked Up by some people yet vice versa in their rental rankings. So if we're going to start adding extraneous information, let's add it all.
 
Fine, we can leave the decision-making process out of it.

You are saying that the statement that a movie is "not worth seeing in a theater but worth renting" is illogical because once it's time to rent it then it will have a lot of competition. That doesn't make any sense.

The movie wasn't worth watching in a theater. The fact that other movies represent an even higher value as a rental does not change the fact that the movie can be judged to be worth renting. As I am the king of ****** analogies, let's try one:

A car dealership is offering a brand new car for $50,000 but you know for a fact that when next year's model rolls around they are going to clear that car off the lot and will sell them for $20,000 just to get rid of them. At the same time, there are 3 other models that are also on sale for $50,000 and will also go for $20,000 the next year.

You rank the value of the cars in order as Car A, Car B, Car C, and Car D. You make the statement that Car D isn't worth $50,000 but would be worth $20,000. When the next year's models come out, all four cars are available at $20,000 as you knew they would be. The fact that Cars A, B, and C are available and represent a greater value at $20,000 does not change the fact that Car D is still worth $20,000 but wasn't worth $50,000. The relative values of A, B, and C have no effect whatsoever on the absolute value of Car D.

This has been another Terrible Yet Essentially Apt Analogy© brought to you by Huckleberry.
 
You're putting way too much thought into this.

It's a basic example of the elasticity of demand:

If there is a product out there priced at x but I feel it is worth less, I will wait until the price drops to what I'm willing to pay for it. This is very easy in the case of movies because they have a consistent and predictable pricing structure.
 
A lot of **** doesn't make sense when you analyze it as deeply as your hitting this one. I think everyone knows what that statement means, including you, so who cares.
 
Now that I have kids, there are three kinds of movies:

1. Netflix for the kids (ie - don't care at all)

2. Netflix for me / wife ( 80 % of the movies I watch that I would have previously gone to the theater for. I suppose this is your category as described. However, I don't think they are bad movies. I just don't want to blow $80 for a 4 hour trip to see Spiderman 8 while the babysitter watches the kids when I have a perfectly great set up at home with much cheaper beer.)

3. Alamo Drafthouse (only for the elite movies - and usually after a few weeks of release to make sure everyone thinks highly of it.)
 

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