Nice knowing you Quinn

SabreHorn said:
Exactly who in the hell do you propose we get to replace Del Conte? Name ONE AD that is worth a ****.

Clue - There ain't ONE, much less one that would come to Austin.

The Billie Powers legacy lives on
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McConaughey for all I care. CDC has allowed Herman to fail.
 
theiioftx said:
Does Herman answer to CDC?
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Yes, he does.

Sometimes management INHERITS employees, who are too weak to manage the people to whom they are assigned. You counsel them, tell them what to do, take them to watch you tell their employees what to do.

At some point, Senior management gets involved and lays the law down.

Next step, you cut bait.

Please understand that senior management understands the **** storm off to their left needs to be kept calm.
 
SabreHorn said:
Yes, he does.

Sometimes management INHERITS employees, who are too weak to manage the people to whom they are assigned. You counsel them, tell them what to do, take them to watch you tell their employees what to do.

At some point, Senior management gets involved and lays the law down.

Next step, you cut bait.

Please understand that senior management understands the **** storm off to their left needs to be kept calm.
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In Sabre I trust ... ty for steering us in the right direction, @WorsterMan buys the next round lol
 
SabreHorn said:
Yes, he does.

Sometimes management INHERITS employees, who are too weak to manage the people to whom they are assigned. You counsel them, tell them what to do, take them to watch you tell their employees what to do.

At some point, Senior management gets involved and lays the law down.

Next step, you cut bait.

Please understand that senior management understands the **** storm off to their left needs to be kept calm.
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I agree. Cut bait. CDC shows no signs of cutting bait. He has enabled the behavior if anything. Time for Hartzel to cut bait or the BOR to cut bait with Hartzel. Time is of the essence.
 
Is there a bar in Austin that hasn't been "California-ized" or do we have to drive to Bastrop? Where does El Cyd Steiner hang out?
 
SabreHorn said:
Yes, he does.

Sometimes management INHERITS employees, who are too weak to manage the people to whom they are assigned. You counsel them, tell them what to do, take them to watch you tell their employees what to do.

At some point, Senior management gets involved and lays the law down.

Next step, you cut bait.

Please understand that senior management understands the **** storm off to their left needs to be kept calm.
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what
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theiioftx said:
Time is of the essence.
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Why? The season is shot by a bunch of puppets led by a couple of left wing puppeteers bent on rewriting history to suit their purpose. Herman allowed it and sided with them. His fate was sealed at that point. From all appearances, there are very few coaches who might be available, and who possess the ability to tear it down and rebuild quickly. Talk to them, gage their interest and requirements, talk to the $$$ people, make the move. It is time consuming process. This was a season that paved an easy road to the playoffs for us, but has been shattered.

Play the games out, make the best choice, announce before early signing date. Tell that grossly overpaid group of assistants to get their *** on the road and bring back quality recruits. Why not, they don't seem to be able to coach what we have.

My desire is to have it done before Thanksgiving, but that may not be possible. Then again, I also desired that Herman be fired two weeks ago.

Remember that the puppets had to be told directly in a meeting by:

CDC & Herman
CDC, Herman, & Jay
All re-enforced by a letter from The BOR

That is how far we have been dragged down by a spineless coach, whom I'm embarrassed to say I was all in for hiring.
 
The program is on fire. Waiting only lets the fire get more out of control. Waiting until the offseason or even worse next year results in complete and utter destruction of our football program.
 
Texas is dealing with the aftermath of past management sins. Mack Brown knew it was time to go and refused to do so. Failure to force the issue for good succession planning by inept management at all levels above him turned a previous good situation into a nasty exit. That should never have happened and all are to blame, including Mack. Then inept management screwed the pooch on the replacement and it again turned into another nasty exit. Enter the coach everybody wanted and management decided to take him because he was popular with all to include the likes of us on this board. Now we know that there are serious flaws in this guys credentials.

All of the above failures have tarnished the brand and each mess hurts recruiting during the downward spiral. This points to the need for those hiring to know what they are doing. In business I always felt that the hiring of the best employee was the most important thing that I did. But even with that logic, the key was whether or not I had the ability to read the candidate and know if they were what they were perceived to be. Resumes are instruments of BS and one needs to look under the cover to find out who is the real deal. Not everybody can, but Texas needs to find someone who knows how if they are going to make another coaching change, or they will be irrelevant for a long time.

Haste makes waste. But if they are not reaching out to those in the know and doing legwork, that should tell you something. Hopefully this management team is better.
 
We’ve had a lot of 4-5 stars that have little heart and were busts and 2-3 stars that played great.Regardless of our recruiting class we still fight to the wire vs every Big 12 team. I give some credence to recruiting rankings but not too much..
 
Chinstrap said:
Texas is dealing with the aftermath of past management sins.
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Chin, I have to disagree. This is all on Herman. He has failed in virtually every aspect of the job and his indiscretion and poor judgment in the summer — siding with the insurgents and against the University and Longhorn Nation — sealed his fate and doomed the program.

We can and we will recover. But the recovery cannot start until he is removed. I agree with SabreHorn that it should have happened weeks ago. The way I see it, there is nothing to be gained by delaying the inevitable, and everything to lose...as we are all observing now.
 
dukesteer said:
Chin, I have to disagree. This is all on Herman. He has failed in virtually every aspect of the job and his indiscretion and poor judgment in the summer — siding with the insurgents and against the University and Longhorn Nation — sealed his fate and doomed the program.

We can and we will recover. But the recovery cannot start until he is removed. I agree with SabreHorn that it should have happened weeks ago. The way I see it, there is nothing to be gained by delaying the inevitable, and everything to lose...as we are all observing now.
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On Tom, yes. Problems began with Tom's hiring, no. With the correct action taken before Mack retired, we are probably in the championship hunt each year with the same coach.
Time to move on is right, but how you do it is imperative. This program cannot take another bad hire.
 
I never was on the hire Saban bandwagon. And I can't stand Urban Meyer. I think he's oily, slimy. But I've come around on hiring him if he wants the job. This program is broken. Maybe there is some hot shot assistant or Power 5 coach out there who could turn it around. And while there are no sure things, Meyer is as close as there is to a guarantee. Get him. Yeah, he'll cost silly money. He'll make the hiring of Jimbo Fisher look like chump change. But without a fix, someone said it earlier and I agree, we might as well join the Lone Star Conference and cede this state to the TCUs and aggys. And just admit we can't compete with OU. That's where we are headed, if we aren't there already.

PS When does our contract with ESPN for the LHN end? That pitiful thing needs to go away. It reduces the stature of every coach on staff.
 
The program is in big trouble. The toothpaste is out of the tube and won’t be easy to fix. The team is talented enough to win out but I don’t see it happening. They should have easily won the conference this year but the team and the fan base are fractured. Most want Herman gone and I tend to agree. Up to this summer, I thought cdc was doing a good job but he is complicit with what has happened. Read his June 10 forty acres insider letter. After reading that along with everything else, I cancelled my season tickets I have had for 25 years. Politics and sports are like oil and water, they don’t mix.
 
dukesteer said:
Chin, I have to disagree. This is all on Herman. He has failed in virtually every aspect of the job and his indiscretion and poor judgment in the summer — siding with the insurgents and against the University and Longhorn Nation — sealed his fate and doomed the program.

We can and we will recover. But the recovery cannot start until he is removed. I agree with SabreHorn that it should have happened weeks ago. The way I see it, there is nothing to be gained by delaying the inevitable, and everything to lose...as we are all observing now.
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1000% agree! While he should have been gone weeks ago if we lose to OSU tomorrow he should be fired 10 minutes after the game. I have lost ALL confidence in this season and I'm not sure if I will even watch another game while he is our HC.
 
I don’t tune in to watch Herman. I’m watching the players. It’s true now that there are a few that disturb me but I still watch my Horns and root for victory. Just a weakness to which I admit.
 
Agree totally with Sabre and Chinstrap. Duke, Herman is the product of a disjointed management system. Mack is an easy target, but their hiring of Patterson was the real killer.
 
This reminds me of all the bed wetting in 68 when we started out 0-1-1

royal was finished, the players were quitters, blah blah blah.

then we reeled 30 wins in a row and the loser washed up coach has his name on the stadium now

you guys are Aggies with all this effing whining
 
huisache said:
This reminds me of all the bed wetting in 68 when we started out 0-1-1

royal was finished, the players were quitters, blah blah blah.

then we reeled 30 wins in a row and the loser washed up coach has his name on the stadium now

you guys are Aggies with all this effing whining
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You are not seeing the full picture here ... I was there and fully aware in '68 of the landscape. Were you?

DKR had skins on the wall. He turned around a program in seriousc decline from Ed Price in 1957 in a couple of seasons. He won 1 NC in 1963, finished #2 in 1964, and should have won a NC in 1961. Texas also kicked serious *** vs. ou during most of the DKR era.

Tom Herman has not even sniffed that kind of success at UT and is a decline state.

So to your point, 1965-1967 DKR teams were 6-4 regular season - 3 years in a row, (bowl win in '67 finished 7-4). Those teams had better competition in the SWC and they unfortunately had key injuries on both sides of the ball each season. DKR focused on X's & O's, kept recruiting well, made some changes, improvised in 1968 with Emory Bellard developing a new O.

Comparing DKR's period to the current TH era is apples & oranges IMO.

Herman has created a monster on and off the field and it is starting to eat him alive.

DKR did none of that....
 
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huisache said:
This reminds me of all the bed wetting in 68 when we started out 0-1-1

royal was finished, the players were quitters, blah blah blah.

then we reeled 30 wins in a row and the loser washed up coach has his name on the stadium now
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Woo-man saved me a lot of typing. No, he did it about 1000 times better actually. Only thing I'd add.... can you see Herman rattling off 30 in a row? Can you even see Herman winning out the season let alone being in the Big 12 CCG ? No. Really. Can you?
 
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Chinstrap said:
With the correct action taken before Mack retired
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I'm not mad at Mack. I don't get attached to people per se. But if I did I would be mad because he had the knowledge and ability to continue on and be successful. But he allowed something inside of him to lose the edge or so it seemed. It's stunning to me that this same man can come back, years later, older and seemingly from another era, to be successful and apparently regenerated. I guess we all go through periods in our life where in hindsight we see that we were hung up on the wrong things. In my opinion, Mack was trying to be Coach Royal in retirement. An icon. Beloved. Secure. But Mack forgot that he was being paid to be a winner NOW. In the moment. Not looking at his reflection in the trophy. He wanted to be honored and forgiven. A lifer that somehow was bigger than the program. But we fans live game to game. We can't take something like that. Now we can honor his legacy for what it was; a beautiful time that had it's rough patches. We all remember 2005. Vince. And later Colt. We were on our perch and the drop has been painful. It's 15 years later and yet it seems like yesterday. I don't know what happened to Mack other than maybe he was tired from the climb. Emotionally spent from losing to Alabama; a victory that would have put him in the elite wing of all college coaches. But he lost. And we lost. We're still losing. Someone has to decide if we want to win or continue to flounder. What is this university about? We know the classroom is elite. I know it's elite because my children did not have the requisite qualifications to be admitted. But this university has historically had a football program to match. Mack had it. He let it go. Now we have to decide if we truly want it back.
 
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I'm not mad at Mack. I don't get attached to people per se. But if I did I would be mad because he had the knowledge and ability to continue on and be successful. But he allowed something inside of him to lose the edge or so it seemed. It's stunning to me that this same man can come back, years later, older and seemingly from another era, to be successful and apparently regenerated. I guess we all go through periods in our life where in hindsight we see that we were hung up on the wrong things. In my opinion, Mack was trying to be Coach Royal in retirement. An icon. Beloved. Secure. But Mack forgot that he was being paid to be a winner NOW. In the moment. Not looking at his reflection in the trophy. He wanted to be honored and forgiven. A lifer that somehow was bigger than the program. But we fans live game to game. We can't take something like that. Now we can honor his legacy for what it was; a beautiful time that had it's rough patches. We all remember 2005. Vince. And later Colt. We were on our perch and the drop has been painful. It's 15 years later and yet it seems like yesterday. I don't know what happened to Mack other than maybe he was tired from the climb. Emotionally spent from losing to Alabama; a victory that would have put him in the elite wing of all college coaches. But he lost. And we lost. We're still losing. Someone has to decide if we want to win or continue to flounder. What is this university about? We know the classroom is elite. I know it's elite because my children did not have the requisite qualifications to be admitted. But this university has historically had a football program to match. Mack had it. He let it go. Now we have to decide if we truly want it back.
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Well said. Mack Brown controlled his own destiny at Texas. For that reason, he has/had only one person to blame for his ouster.
 
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