New Jersey Chelsea Bombing Suspect and possible Terror Cell

Mr. Deez said:
And this is what Europe is dealing with. The Left is quick to point out that the majority of terrorists are not refugees but EU citizens. It's true. However, they are the children of the Islamic "migrants" of yesteryear, who were never assimilated. They are dealing with the stupid decisions they made 30 years ago, and in 30 years, we'll deal with the decisions we're making today. If we assimilate the refugees, it'll probably be OK, but if we continue to embrace multiculturalism and encourage Muslims to retain Islamic culture rather than embrace American culture, we'll have hell to pay in 30 years like the Europeans are paying today.
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This x100. The worst case scenario is to let them in, but treat them like they are all terrorist suspects who don't fit it in.
 
NJlonghorn said:
This x100. The worst case scenario is to let them in, but treat them like they are all terrorist suspects who don't fit it in.
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Fundamentally, Europeans have had a different attitude about race and ethnicity than Americans do. Almost everybody in the US traces their history back to an immigrant who assimilated in some way. Accordingly, the American identity hasn't centered along race and ethnicity to the same extent, so we're quicker to assimilate ethnic Irishmen, French, Germans, Poles, etc. For example, my ancestry is English, Welsh, and Italian, but I have an American cultural identity. I speak English because it's the native language of the US, but I know no Welsh colloquialisms and speak no Italian. Even my grandmother whose parents emigrated from Italy knew very little Italian, had no Italian accent, and never spoke Italian at home. I think that's true for the overwhelming majority of US citizens. Obviously, the more an immigrant looks, talks, and lives differently than the majority, the tougher it is, but I think the tendency still leans toward assimilation.

In Europe, that's not how it works. A Pole living in Britain is a Pole, not a Brit, even if he speaks English and is a British citizen. His neighbors see him as a Pole, and he thinks of himself as a Pole. This is why Germans were expelled from Eastern Europe after World War II. Before the War, there were millions of Germans living in Poland and Czechoslovakia, whom Hitler referred to as "Volksdeutsche" ("racially German"). Even though they were Polish and Czechoslovakian citizens and often had longstanding roots in those countries, they identified as Germans, spoke German at home, associated with other Germans, were loyal to Germany, and collaborated with the Nazis to help destroy their nations of citizenship.

I think a similar attitude took place with Muslim immigrants to Europe. The Muslims who live here don't identify as Germans or French. They identify as Turks, Algerians, etc. and most of all, as Muslims. Furthermore, the native population also sees them that way, so they don't see assimilating them as French or Germans as being much of a priority or even necessarily possible. I think that coupled with social media makes it much easier to radicalize them. If an ethnic Algerian goes and shoots up a nightclub in Paris, he's not killing his own countrymen. He's killing an enemy that's foreign to him and treats him as such.

This is where the multiculturalism "salad bowl" horse crap gets dangerous. When we're talking about ethnic Mexicans who don't have an ideological hostility to the West, it's not as big of a deal. There isn't a serious effort by Mexicans to reconquer parts of the United States and kill its people. But when we're talking about people who do have such an ideological hostility and can be easily be reached by organized outside groups like ISIS who can encourage and pay them to commit acts of terror, multiculturalism can get deadly in a hurry.
 
NYC bomber says he received instructions to attack non believers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...pect-ahmad-khan-rahami-said-he-received-inst/

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I'm no lawyer but here's the choices as I see them:

1) Execute him and that's it. Cite no law. He is like a Terminator. You just kill them. The least likely option available but it feels good to talk about it. Besides Elizabeth Warren wouldn't like it.
2) Hold him without habeas corpus because he is an unlawful combatant and use the Geneva Conventions protocols as the basis (for instance, he is not wearing the uniform of a lawful combatant or however it's worded). Try him with a military tribunal and then give him the maximum penalty. Don't torture him.
3) Hold him as a prisoner of war and release him when the war is over.
4) Try him as you would any criminal who tried to kill other (attempted murder) people under whatever existing criminal law there is (Hate crime? Attempted murder?)
 
Where is the disconnect with the FBI that they keep ignoring Muslim terrorists even after the terrorists are brought to their attention?
IIRC going back to the Boston bombers to the killers in San Bernardo Orlando and now NYC these people had been initially investigated and then dropped as not a threat .
Is the FBI afraid of being accused of Islamophobia?
 
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