Net Neutrality

Dionysus said:
Is it unlimited or “unlimited” data?

I have heard of some companies using interesting definitions of the concept.
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I'll have to check but my phone along with both my children are on the plan and there have been no overage charges. So....
 
Seattle Husker said:
So, competition will still just be Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint against the major cable providers.
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But that's still significantly better than we have now. I basically have 1 option for high speed internet right now - Comcast. I would be ecstatic to have 5 options.
 
bystander said:
no overage charges. So....
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what it probably says is that after "XX Gb" of use, your service MAY be slowed (aka throttled)

I've yet to experience this at my residence ... where the deer and antelope play ... but I can see where it'd be a problem if my 120GB of data were used in the land of brown roofs.

I hope the new 5G doesn't have the same interference issues with GPS as the original 4G did (before LTE)
 
Montana wins the contest to be the first state to pass Net-Neutrality laws.

The order says that in order to receive a contract with the state government, internet service providers must not engage in blocking or throttling web content or create internet fast lanes. Those practices were all banned under the Obama-era 2015 net neutrality order.
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There are at least 22 governors that have stated they'd support similar net-neutrality protections should they cross their desks.
 
I have Sprint for Cell Phone and I upgraded from an "unlimited" data plan to one that doesn't slow down after I have downloaded so much data. Slowing data on Sprint ... kinda made me long for the days of Gateway Dialup.
 
Seattle Husker said:
There are at least 22 governors that have stated they'd support similar net-neutrality protections should they cross their desks.
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Yay ... just what we need .. .more government meddling in business.

bottom line ... pay more/get more ...

LIve rurally ... add more to that.

No need of government dictating prices. That only increases costs ... decreases profitablility --- on which business is based ...

So ... eventually, there's no business to produce the good/service which was once a market demand, but now costs too much due to excessive regulation.
 
OUBubba said:
Enjoy this thing
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yeah, I've seen that before. One of my co-eds formerly Texas Longhorn exhibitor now up at OSU, actually.

This cute little appeal to the masses lacks one thing ... PH has already alluded to it ...

BK aint' the only place to get a burger.

multiple ways to access the internet and multiple companies with those different technologies.
 
ShAArk92 said:
yeah, I've seen that before. One of my co-eds formerly Texas Longhorn exhibitor now up at OSU, actually.

This cute little appeal to the masses lacks one thing ... PH has already alluded to it ...

BK aint' the only place to get a burger.

multiple ways to access the internet and multiple companies with those different technologies.
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Clarification: It's the only place to get a WHOPPER.
 
OUBubba said:
Clarification: It's the only place to get a WHOPPER.
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that's true, but that's a name of the actual product, it's not a different product.

If I want to stream a program ... netflix isn't the only place to get it ... and moreover ... ComCast isn't the only way to do the streaming.

Statalyzer said:
Nobody was ever saying you couldn't pay more or less to get better or worse speeds.
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One of the big pushes was to expand internet access for rural areas ... govt subsidized. So, yeah, this was combined with the entire allocation.

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waa, he gets faster internet than me.

he pays more

so, it's not fair.

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precisely the response.
 
Was there a similar debate about telephone access back in the 1920s or something? It's so strange to me that people who think the free market will take care of itself are so pro-regulation in so many other facets of daily life.
 
Horns11 said:
Was there a similar debate about telephone access back in the 1920s or something? It's so strange to me that people who think the free market will take care of itself are so pro-regulation in so many other facets of daily life.
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Good question and one I'm not inclined to research. The Internet is no different than the modern day telephone line or road systems that took the Government to manage and regulate, IMHO.
 
The internet seems practically like a public utility now. It is as essential as electricity for many people.
 
Dionysus said:
The internet seems practically like a public utility now. It is as essential as electricity for many people.
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And increasingly so. As commerce continues to move to the web and the Internet of things (all smart devices connected to it) take hold it's crazy that we think it's anything put a public utility.
 
Electrical power is highly regulated and it keeps out innovation and increases prices. I know because its the industry I work in. Treating the internet like the power grid would harm all of us.
 
Monahorns said:
Electrical power is highly regulated and it keeps out innovation and increases prices. [...] Treating the internet like the power grid would harm all of us.
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I was referring to the simple delivery of bandwidth, what has been sometimes referred to as “ISP as a dumb pipe” — i.e., internet connectivity is essentially a commodity now, although the ISPs want to be perceived as more than that.

The real internet innovation happens upstream.
 
You start regulating the pipe it will affect everyone trying to use the pipe. Freedom and competition is best. Big corporation working with government doesnt ever benefit the consumer. Its one of the big lies of our age.
 
Agree w/ @Monahorns — ISPs oppose local municipalities that want to create their own broadband service because they know it can be done just as well and delivered at a lower cost to the end user.
 
Monahorns said:
Electrical power is highly regulated and it keeps out innovation and increases prices. I know because its the industry I work in. Treating the internet like the power grid would harm all of us.
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And if the telephone and electric utilities had not been required to incorporate poor and rural areas into their services early on then MANY people would have been harmed by that as well.

It is possible to OVERregulate. It is also possible to UNDERregulate.

Net neutrality is not an example of OVER regulation.

BTW, what are the electricity innovations you speak of?
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe, Net Neutrality was a farce to help powerful corporations stay in power and keep out innovation. It would have led to higher costs and less services long term. If that is not the definition of over-regulation, then it does not exist to you. Read Sange Naranjada's article.

More like innovation in the delivery of electricity, meaning the business model and level of service provided. Much of what I was talking about was in reference to the regional monopolies that many utilities enjoy. It is the same issue with the cable/ISPs. More government regulation comes at the expense of granting regional monopolies. Remove that and competition takes care of market desires.
 
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