My BIGGEST gripe about Saturday...POOR Time management

Especially a 100% chance of TD. The play call might have had other reads for Sam underneath, but he took the free TD read.

If you're in safe FG range, you take clock.

I'm definitely the first to blame the defense for the loss, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to stop the 2-pointer or do exactly what they accomplished in the third quarter.

Just like I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to run on 1st and 10 from the 48 with 2:34 remaining, get 0 yards, take minimal time off the clock so WVU uses timeouts, punt with a tied game, and WVU drives 50 yards and kicks a FG. Your entire premise for getting in FG range was that we were moving the ball that drive, therefore, we would continue moving the ball. Outside of the RPO to Beck, our plays had netted 0, 6, 2, and 3 yards. There's just no guarantee that anything in your world happens. There is a guarantee of Devin's TD in the real world.
 
Your entirepremise for getting in FG range was that wewere moving the ball that drive, therefore,we would continue moving the ball.
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My premise is we had 500 yards of offense, 28 first downs, we moved the ball into field goal range 8 of the 9 times we had the ball, it was late in the 4th, the west virginia defense was gassed, and it was extremely likely would could move the ball into field goal range from a first and 10 from the 48.

You all are not wrong in the vast majority of football games. However, a shootout like this is the exception to the general rule.
 
No ones talking about how smart we were in subs where we took like 20 seconds off the clock on 2 different plays. When you keep a team to the 32 needing a TD to tie, the clock management is NOT the problem. Having a corner and safety letting a guy get behind them both is inexcusable. Put the blame where it belongs.
 
Put the blame where it belongs.
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Why not both? Calling out poor clock management does not absolve the defense.

Also, if we run the clock and kick the field goal, West Virginia does not run any plays and our defective defensive does not have the opportunity to give up the big play.
 
Horns11 said:
Because the OP said it was his BIGGEST gripe. I have about 30 gripes before taking a free TD.
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And I just showed you an example of great clock management having the D slow play getting off the field after they substituted. Look, you just don't turn down an open TD. With 16 seconds left and they are still at the 32, we've done everything right. Just don't get beat over the top. Clock management is not why we lost. There is no guarantee if we run or short pass there that we score. With this OLine we're always one play away of a hold. Even on running plays. And Dicker is not consistent. Not at all. I was happy for the score. Just get a friggin stop.
 
Clock management was factor.

In fact, if we run more clock before half on the first and goal of this Tech game, we have a 17-7 lead instead of a 17-10 lead.
 
Exactly. He doesn’t learn ****. Quick snap on the 2 with over a minute left and clock running and two TOs. Bush league

That said, why’d kingsbury kick with :12 left? Was it a fourth down?
 
Omniscient.one said:
Exactly. He doesn’t learn ****. Quick snap on the 2 with over a minute left and clock running and two TOs. Bush league

That said, why’d kingsbury kick with :12 left? Was it a fourth down?
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Terrible clock management at the end of the 1st half. Exactly what we did against Tech on this same field 10 years ago. Ran quick plays when we could decide when to snap the ball. That's totally on TH.
 
Htown77 said:
@ProdigalHorn and @Horns11 are taking the position that it was reasonable to think our defense could make a stop. They are surprisingly supported by @Statalyzer. Let us review this game and see if it was more reasonable to think our defense would make a stop or that if we gave the ball back with plenty of time left, West Virginia would likely score. Let us also review whether it was likely Texas would be able to drive, run clock and score, or whether we needed to score at the first opportunity.

UT-WVU Drive Chart:
WVU - Field Goal
UT - Punt
WVU - Punt
UT - Touchdown
WVU - Touchdown
UT - Touchdown
WVU - Touchdown
UT - Touchdown
WVU - Touchdown
UT - Touchdown
WVU - Field Goal
UT - End of Half (drive started with 9 seconds left)
UT - Turnover on Downs on WVU 5 yard line
WVU - Punt
UT - Field Goal
WVU - Turnover on Downs on the UT 20 yard line
UT - Field Goal
WVU - Touchdown
UT - Touchdown
WVU - Touchdown
UT - End of Game (drive started with 16 seconds)

Throwing out the 2 last drives before the end of the halves, UT scored on 7 of its 9 drives. UT got within field goal range on 8 of its 9 drives. If UT is getting within field goal range 88% of the time is has the ball, IT IS VERY LIKLEY UT WILL BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN A DRIVE TO RUN THE CLOCK AND GET IN FIELD GOAL RANGE.

West Virginia scored on 7 of its 10 drives and got within field goal range on 8 of its 10 drives. West Virginia has one of the best QBs in the country and great receives. UT suffered injuries to the defensive line and the secondary. We got no pressure whatsoever on their QB on their second to last drive. Yes, it was very likely they could go down field and score on us in the last two minutes. Holgorsen knew our defense was done and that is why he always planned to go for two. Hell, they converted the two point conversion twice.

West Virginia had 578 yards and 28 first downs. Texas had 520 yards and 28 first downs. There was no defense in this game, much less when both teams were worn down in the 4th.

I did not make some crazy prediction. Running the clock and playing the field goal was the obvious call supported by the facts at the time. My prediction that if we left too much time, West Virginia would score was the likely scenario and I was proven right.

Yes, in general football, you take the points. However, the exception is when your defense is unlikely to make a stop. If you cannot rely on the defense and you have an opportunity to run out the clock, you run out the clock. We did not do that and it was a poor decision on Herman's part. Anyone that thinks it was a good call apparently was not sure what game they were watching as they did not seem to realize it was a full on, no defense Big 12 shootout.

@TEXnSEATTLE is right.
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what took you a ton of time to empirically analyze the entire game, I just remember my reaction when Sam hurled the touchdown pass.....NO!!! what are they doing?...honestly, that is what went through my mind....thanks, for all the work on this...I really wanted that game BAD!!! Beating TECH, this evening was SWEET!!!
I love me some SAM!!! what a great QB....living his dream....cheered with his Aunt and Uncle and they are 'over the moon' with Sam's performance....I pray he is just setting himself for unbelievable Junior and Senior years....he deserves them....HOOK'em!!!!
 
Now that I think about it, Herman doesn’t trust his oline (Shackelford) to get two yards against Tech. And given the 4th and 1 pass he legitimizes the decision. Maybe he’s smarter than he seems.

Sweet, triple poop. No replies. My logic is sound
 
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So many gripes from last night's win in Lubbock, but clock management was definitely a factor before the half that gave Tech 3 points. I have not seen or heard anyone talk about that...so frustrating.

We get a first down at the 2 yardline with 1:30 or so to go and the clock running, then proceed to snap the ball with 20+ seconds left on the play clock. That is just idiotic. Tech had about 1:15 to play with and wound up kicking a FG at the end of the half. If we get up to the line and take our time, Tech does not get that cheap FG at the half and perhaps more importantly does not get momentum going into the locker room.

:soapbox:
 
THIS is the thing that the coach should be paying attention to at every moment (or second, for that matter)
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So many gripes from last night's win in Lubbock, but clock management was a factor before the half that gave Tech 3 points. I have not seen or heard anyone talk about that...so frustrating.

We get a first down at the 2 yardline with 1:30 or so to go and the clock running, then proceed to snap the ball with 20+ seconds left on the play clock. That is just idiotic. Tech had about 1:15 to play with and wound up kicking a FG at the end of the half. If we get up to the line and take our time, Tech does not get that cheap FG at the half and perhaps more importantly does not get momentum going into the locker room.

:soapbox:
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Some of you are going to be bitter no matter what and will criticize TH even if he was 9-1. I'm sure TH comes back to Hornfans after every game to see how he graded out in his coaching performance.
 
duff_man said:
Some of you are going to be bitter no matter what and will criticize TH even if he was 9-1. I'm sure TH comes back to Hornfans after every game to see how he graded out in his coaching performance.
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If you were putting FIVE MILLION AMERICAN DOLLARS a YEAR into my bank account for coaching YOUR team....you'd expect time management to be an automatic, would you not???
 
Some of you are going to be bitter no matter what and will criticize TH even if he was 9-1. I'm sure TH comes back to Hornfans after every game to see how he graded out in his coaching performance.
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Not remotely true. I am very happy we won. In fact, this is my first post since we won last night, as my post was in game. Only someone biased in favor of Herman would ignore a legitimate criticism that has already cost us a game and ultimately helped Tech tie it up yesterday.
 
Htown77 said:
Not remotely true. I am very happy we won. In fact, this is my first post since we won last night, as my post was in game. Only someone biased in favor of Herman would ignore a legitimate criticism that has already cost us a game and ultimately helped Tech tie it up yesterday.
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...and no one is BITTER....it's an observation....nothing more, nothing less....
 
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