Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

netslave,

seems that you're having a hard time believing that. What's so unbelievable about someone using a hallucinogen during a religious ceremony? Huamns have been doing it since our cave days.
 
Yeah not sure why this would be such news. It's not like he was doing something illegal like smoking weed while on an NFL team.

These types of mind-altering drugs have been very common through history in religious activities.

Whether it's true or not is a pointless issue in my opinion. But I don' think it's totally unbelievable that he could've been 'getting closer to God' through those means.
 
I can't answer for net slave, but I can answer that question myself. It is hard to believe because there is no history in Judaism of using any type of drugs. (Unless you consider drinking some wine) That would be why it would be so hard for me to believe that Moshe used any type of drug to alter the state of his mind. If you told me that a Native American used a mind altering drug, or Chinese, then I would readily believe that. That would be because there is a history of drugs being used in religious ceremonies among those people groups.
The other reason for me would be that the TNK doesn't mention Moshe taking any drugs either. I also don't believe that that I have ever heard this mentioned anywhere in the Talmud. These would seem to be closer to source and have more authourity and be more believable to me than the voice of a single professor.
One more thought. This professor is arguing from silence. There is NO evidence that Moshe did or didn't take drugs before seeing the burning bush because there no mention of it. This is generally thought of as 'bad history' to argue where there is simply no evidence to support something.
 
Faith? No. Common sense? Yes.

It's much more plausible that someone ingested a hallucinogen and saw fantastical visions, than to believe a voice from the heavens suddenly spoke.
 
1. Puff, Puff, Pass
2. Stay off the hard ****.
3. Don't blame drugs for your problems
4. Honor Cheech and Chong
5. You shall not bogart
6. You shall not drunk dial
7. You shall not steal someone else's stash
8. You shall not snitch
9. Don't complain about your stash.
10. Smoke your own supply.
 
It is hard to believe because there is no history in Judaism of using any type of drugs. (Unless you consider drinking some wine) That would be why it would be so hard for me to believe that Moshe used any type of drug to alter the state of his mind.

While there is/was no documented wide-spread use of drugs in Jewish communities that is not to say that this particular episode didn't happen.

But it's interesting how people will construct reasons, or rationalize, to remain consistent with their view of their faith. What makes more sense: some being came down and spoke to Moses, or Moses had some kind of hallucination?
 
That would be why it would be so hard for me to believe that Moshe used any type of drug to alter the state of his mind.

The irony of this statement is that while some things are "so hard to believe" other things are quite easy: dude comes back to life after being dead three days; same guy turns water into wine; other guy gets swallowed by a big fish; whole world gets covered by water in a big flood; world is about 10,000 years old despite scads of evidence showing otherwise; guy walks on water....

It could be that Moses ingested the plants accidentally, or that he suffered from some ailment that affected his pre-frontal cortex (or some other brain region).
 
there are a lot of theories surounding people in transylvania that ate a certain fungus on their bread that acts much like LSD. I forget the name, i thought it was "ergo", but i might be wrong.

anyway, there are some people who believe that ingestion of this substance caused the some people who experienced extreme hallucinations.... and thus the vampire was born. i see no reason why a similar event couldn't happen around then? i mean, bush burning.. bush melting... what's the difference?
 
It's what LSD is made from....

From (Wikipedia:

It is synthesized from lysergic acid derived from ergot, a grain fungus that typically grows on rye and was first synthesized by Swiss chemist Albert Hofmann.
 
NotReally,

I believe there is a disease where people who suffer from it, begin to take on the classic vampire traits, including pointy longer teeth (due to a recession in gums), ect. A quick google search turned up porphyria.

But I don't know, I am not a physician.
 
I've always been intrigued by cultures that used psychopharmacology as part of their religious ceremonies.

The next best thing would to be a Catholic priest. Those guys (according to a Catholic) have to chug (ok, not chug) down any extra communion wine. You know, with it literally turning into Christ's body and blood and all, you can't just dump it down the drain. Although I have heard of a "special drain" to do just that. It wasn't hooked up to the sewer system, just went out in the back yard. I thought it was kinda strange.
 
Nivek, I have heard that as well. I have a feeling the ergot theory was proposed by someone who probably had some prior drug experience. Just like the Moses theory, I believe most similar theories are proposed by drug users
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I was just trying to point out these people could have very easily taken some type of drug and not even known it.
 
I heard someone say one time on the Internet that Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim. It must have been true right?
 
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