Massacre in Munich

6 confirmed dead ... maybe a dozen
3 shooters still at large


Ever see Demolition Man?
In the future, the cops don't know how to deal with violent thugs
 
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Nice transposition of headline on left with breaking news

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Lots mixed reporting on this

Some say these shooters might actually be non-Muslim white Germans? Geez

Yet .....
 
My guess is this means he is Turkish, since they are only ones who care about this issue
Plus Germany has a ton of Turks
Which also means the odds of him being Muslim are very high

 
Video of one of the shooters as he was getting heckled by some people in a building looking down a him. The english translation of what they are yelling is below

https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/756577872475746304

Man: "You ******* ******* you..."
>Shooter: "Because of you I [unintelligible]..."
Balcony Man: "You c**t you. you're a c**t"
>Shooter: "...and now I have to buy a gun to shoot you"
Balcony Man: "a gun **** off your head isn't on right"
>Shooter and Balcony man shouting at each other
Balcony Man apparently to people filming: "He's got a gun here the guy has one"
Unseen voice: "****/******* Turks!"
Balcony Man: "****/******* Kanacken" (foreigners basically)
Balcony man to someone else : "EY! HE'S GOT A GUN! He has loaded his gun! Get the cops here!"
>Shooter: "I am German."
Balcony Man: "You're a c**t is what you are"
>Shooter: "Stop filming!"
Balcony Man: "A c**t is what you are, what the **** are you doing?"
>Shooter: "Yeah what, I was born here!"
Balcony Man: "Yeah and what the **** you think you're doing???"
>Shooter: "I grew up here in the Hartz 4 (unemployment benefits in Germany) area.
Balcony Man and Shooter talk at same time, can't make it out.
>Shooter says something about "Behandlung" which is "treatment" in both medical treatment or just how you treat people,not sure which one he means.
Balcony Man says something like "Yeah treatment is something for you"
>Shooter: "I haven't done anything here for [unintelligible]"
>Shooter: "Just shut your ******* face man"
Balcony Man: "You c**t you"
Balcony Man: "HEY! HE'S ON THE UPPER FLOOR HERE [unintelligible]"
Filming man goes into cover, shooter starts firing.
Balcony man calls him a c**t again.
Balcony man shouts something at him about "shooting here" and Shooter replies multiple times "Yeah, that's where you're right! Yeah you're right with that!" Yeah you're right!"
Video ends.
 
So some are reporting he was a right wing militants since there have been many attacks by right wing terrorists in Germany lately
 
Why aren't there ever any stories of Muslims shooting and blowing people up in South Korea or Japan?

Anyone .....
 
NJlonghorn said:
I'll take "Gun Control" for $1,000, Alex. ;)
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I dont mean to crush your life dreams, but I dont think you are ever going make the cut for Jeopardy.

Unless, of course, you work at the DNC and, in that case, you can probably get whatever the hell you want from a TV network.
 
“We found a man, who killed him himself. We assume, that he was the only shooter,” Munich police department said.​
Anyone else beginning to notice a pattern?
Orlando: Initially reported there were multiple shooters. Later, just one.
Dallas: Initially reported as multiple shooters. Later, just one.
Baton Rouge: Initially believed to be multiple shooters. Later, just one.
Munich: initially reported to be three shooters. Later, just one.
 
Supposedly an Iranian German.
Darn that is going to wreck the right wing conspiracy.

mus
I can see where in the confusion of a shooting many people could think the shots came from all over.
No problem with being so careful.
 
theiioftx said:
:rolleyes1::rolleyes1:
I'll take ultra strict immigration policies for $1000 Alex.
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Joe Fan said:
I dont mean to crush your life dreams, but I dont think you are ever going make the cut for Jeopardy.

Unless, of course, you work at the DNC and, in that case, you can probably get whatever the hell you want from a TV network.
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I was mocking the argument, not making it. I guess the universally recognized wink emoticon didn't make that clear enough for theiioftx and Joe Fan.

BTW -- Have you EVER heard me tout gun control as the solution to terrorism? I know you like to think that anyone who doesn't toe the conservative party line is a liberal on every issue, but it just isn't the case.
 
UTChE96 said:
Hopefully this will finally convince Germans to ratify strict gun control laws.
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What I think is remarkable is the absurdity with which Europeans approach this issue in the terrorism context. I was watching Deutsche Welle (has a news channel in English) last night, and they had a commentator taking about the shooting.

Of course, he made the obligatory points not to assume or prejudge the ethnicity or religion of the shooter, that Syrian immigrants were seen running away from the mall crying, blah, blah, blah. However, he was also was asked how a shooter would have gotten the gun, and of course he started with a smirk and said, "well of course Germany isn't like America where anybody can get a gun. We're more careful than that." After another several sentences about how great and beneficial German gun laws are, he said, "of course if someone wants to do violence, there is a very large black market for guns that he can use with very little risk of getting caught."

Despite that concession, this smug, pretentious little Euroqueen never addressed or even considered the possibility that these wonderful gun laws that make Germany so much safer than America aren't particularly effective, nor did the interviewer raise the issue. It's clear to me that gun control in Europe is simply not subject to scrutiny, and it's politically incorrect to even call it into question at all.
 
This is a few days old, but it looks like practitioners of the religion of peace also tried to abduct (and probably much more) a British serviceman on a jog near his base.

This is why I don't go for a walk completely defenseless.
 
Mr. Deez said:
What I think is remarkable is the absurdity with which Europeans approach this issue in the terrorism context. I was watching Deutsche Welle (has a news channel in English) last night, and they had a commentator taking about the shooting.

Of course, he made the obligatory points not to assume or prejudge the ethnicity or religion of the shooter, that Syrian immigrants were seen running away from the mall crying, blah, blah, blah. However, he was also was asked how a shooter would have gotten the gun, and of course he started with a smirk and said, "well of course Germany isn't like America where anybody can get a gun. We're more careful than that." After another several sentences about how great and beneficial German gun laws are, he said, "of course if someone wants to do violence, there is a very large black market for guns that he can use with very little risk of getting caught."

Despite that concession, this smug, pretentious little Euroqueen never addressed or even considered the possibility that these wonderful gun laws that make Germany so much safer than America aren't particularly effective, nor did the interviewer raise the issue. It's clear to me that gun control in Europe is simply not subject to scrutiny, and it's politically incorrect to even call it into question at all.
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Approaching the terrorism problem is difficult because traditional military doctrine's answers don't square nicely with the problem.
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Insurgency:

The key to any insurgency is gaining at the very least an indifferent attitude, if not the outright support, of the population. Hence, many insurgencies have sought to persuade through propaganda and subversion and to intimidate through violence large sectors of a population in order to gain support for insurgent aims and undermine support for those countering the insurgency.

lnsurgencies usually gain their greatest success amongst that segment of the
population that is disaffected or disadvantaged-those who have gained the least from the
current social organization.

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Military Doctrine-Defeating an Insurgency:

Counter-insurgency is defined as follows:

Those military, paramilitary, political, economic, psychological and civic actions taken to defeat an insurgency.

Since an insurgency is a political problem, the military plays a largely supporting role to other agencies and government departments in countering an insurgency. As indicated in the definition, a wide range of agencies, elements of power and capabilities, in addition to the military, must come together in a unity of purpose to defeat an insurgency.

A counter-insurgency (COIN) campaign is conducted through a specific philosophy and a set of specific principles that guide the application of combat power. It is distinctly different from the conduct of an insurgency itself, and the lines of operation within the COIN campaign must counter the lines of operation of the insurgents. Within the guiding principles, each COIN campaign must be a custom approach to the insurgency at hand. The constant is the fact that insurgency and counter-insurgency are essentially about the battle to win and hold popular support both at home and in the theatre of operations. If the strategic focal point is public opinion in the local, domestic and international arenas, most initial military tactical efforts will be focused on breaking the link between the insurgent and the people. This is not only a physical link, but the psychological link of moral support. The former will entail physical activities, whilst the latter will entail influence activities that undermine and attack the insurgent ideology, narrative and claims to authority and legitimacy. This will include measures to address and resolve grievances that lend support and credibility to the insurgency. If the insurgent can be isolated, it is then theoretically a relatively simple matter to eliminate him and his cause.

In order to reach this point, a COIN campaign will involve more than military engagement. Defeating an insurgency requires not only the neutralization of insurgent military capabilities but also the resolution of the root causes of the political and socioeconomic grievances that enabled its occurrence in the first instance. Therefore, it requires a comprehensive approach, with multiple agencies and other government departments, often enabled through a coalition effort. The mere attrition of insurgents is highly unlikely to result in the defeat of the insurgency. Indeed, any attempt to win an insurgency through attrition may only help fuel that insurgency. Only a comprehensive approach that addresses the root causes of an insurgency and attacks the legitimacy and authority of the insurgents will obtain an enduring solution.
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The problem with traditional military counter-insurgency doctrine as it relates to Islam arises with the need to "resolve" the root cause of the insurgency and breaking the link between the insurgent and the people. We are not fighting poverty or some other social injustice, we are fighting "Allah" and everlasting life as seen by its followers. This is why Islamic Jihad has lasted so long, and why it will be an ongoing battle.
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Insurgents live and operate amongst the population, thus those forces and agencies countering the insurgency must separate, physically and morally, the insurgent from the population base. A hostile populace will create hostile conditions for any side in an insurgency. Therefore, gaining the support of the people is paramount to any COIN (counter insurgency) campaign.
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Obviously, stopping the flow of Muslim immigrants is possible, and a huge step toward defeat of Islamic terrorism, and this should be done immediately without regard to justifiable feelings toward the plight of refugees.

Hostility is necessary, but to what target should we direct that hostility, and how forceful should we implement that hostility among the local populace? This is the dilemma; we need to keep the moral high ground, but we still have to act in a hostile manner toward a specific, difficult to identify, group of Muslims, which we have not done.
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The Obama administration has failed miserably at the following step necessary to stop the current Islamic terrorism insurgency:

A key to the eventual defeat of an insurgency is that the outbreak of an insurgency must be properly identified as such. The classification or dismissal of a nascent insurgency as a criminal or some other movement will only fuel the insurgency through inappropriate responses, justify the insurgent narrative of systemic injustice and subjugation and provide political and military leaders with the excuse to ignore the root, often legitimate, grievances of the insurgent movement.
 
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