Mack's new recruiting policy

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ProdigalHorn

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I like that he said the school will now look at other players at a position when the player who has committed to them is still taking official visits. I honestly don't know why this isn't standard policy.

And then I read a quote from an Aggie commit on why he's still going to the UT junior day after having given the aggies a verbal:

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I want recruits who want to be at TEXAS and not wanting to window shop til the following February. We need to close the book on recruits who want to look around because we miss out on guys who actually want to be here and we could apply that scholarship elsewhere. It bit us in the *** this year that's for sure. I am tired of all these recruits who want to put on some kind of show on where they want to go and drag it on and on.
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Couldnt have said it any better Arie. There are a ton of kids who grew up pretending to be Earl, Ricky, and winning the big game and becoming a longhorn legand. (I was one of them). Those are the kids we want. Not the kid who wants the attention and wants to put on a hat show. I want the kid that has the sweat stained hat he has been wearing all his life.
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You know... a kid might really want to come to Texas but as we have seen, it wasn't in their best interest. Jonny Manzeil, Andrew Luck, and Possibly RG3 are all kids who liked Texas and Texas didn't offer because of Depth or offered at a different position. I can't hate on a kids decision to go elsewhere for playing time or playing the position they want. I agree with wanting kids who want to be at Texas but recruiting has changed so much, the whole spectacle has become reality television to an extent.

We can't just take kids who want to come here if they are not as good as ones that might be convinced that they should be here. Recruiting is such a mess any how... it drives me a bit mental from time to time.
 
Good for Mack, keep your options open, and keep recruiting. Mack has finally realized that 17 and 18 year old kids are not mature and cannot be relied upon. At least to the extent of developing a recruiting strategy based on whether they change their mind or not.
 
"I think you don't go in to that guy and say "you're our guy, and we're not looking at anyone else.""

Unless you're talking to Chris Whaley.
 
It sounds like he only wants kids who have a dream of being a Longhorn. So that somewhat reduces the effort required now doesn't it? It means the school itself along with the legacy of the program is the draw. So now Mr. February is Mr. Doorman.

All this talk is happening for one reason; the program is in a tailspin and there is no buzz. He is now making tough pronouncements and he's going to get called on in the coming recruiting season. We'll see how it goes....
 
This sits well with me. Its a common sense approach that tells a kid, "If you want to play for the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS LONGHORNS and want the opportunity for a world-class education, then get on board - once and for all."

If you want to look around at OU, Baylor, TCU or an SEC school, then Texas will look around too. I don't want to be making January pitch to second or third choice recruits because some kid bailed.

Good for Mack.
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I agree that Texas should keep its options wide open even if they have verbal with a supposed good player. After all the kid not the program has all the power in this process and its not a done deal till the ink is on the paper and faxed.
 
So Mack isnt going to tolerate kis that have committed to him looking around, but he will still pursue other kids that have committed to other programs? Hmmm...
 
Seems like I remember the wonderful Coach Darrell Royal gave up the game because he was tired of having his chain yanked by 17-18 year old kids. Like kids of everry generation the new ones are egotistical, self-important and subject to advice of "experts" they don't know enough to discount.
 
I believe you are correct Crockett. Tell an 18 year old boy that he is the best (inset sport here) player in the world and he actually will believe the quote.
 
Is there a standard "NCAA" issued committment form/contract or do schools generate their own?

If the latter, it's simple --- have two different committment forms:

Form A --- UT offers an athletic scholarship to student to play football in return for all the benefits offered (room, board, tuition, fees, etc.) IN EXCHANGE FOR COMMITTMENT FROM STUDENT TO ATTEND UT AND CONSIDER NO OTHER SCHOOL.

Form B --- UT offers an athletic scholarship to student to play football in return for all the benefits offered (room, board, tuition, fees, etc.) --- student may continue to pursue similar opportunities at other schools up to 6 weeks before Fall enrollment WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OFFER FROM UT CAN BE WITHDRAWN AT ANY TIME AND FOR ANY REASON.

No hard feelings either way. The first is a true committment; the second a kind of weak committment.

If the hat player kid strings out UT, UT can continue shopping and maybe even get someone as good or better in the interim, maybe with a "Form A" agreement to commit.
 
Players don't sign anything when they commit. It's just a verbal agreement.

The only binding document players ever sign is on signing day when they fax in their LOI.
 
something about mack's new recruiting policy of going after kids who only want to be at texas seems lazy. over the past 10 or so years everyone has wanted to be a horn because the horns were the dominant program in the state (if not the country). but now average on field showings combined with resurgent regional programs are forcing mack to put in effort and actually on occasion lose to other schools. i dont think mack is used to that.

i think there's a middle ground...treating committed players who are looking around as uncommitted but still going after them and not getting offended because they want to look elsewhere.

and i know mack is probably smarting from the loss of a'shawn...but this "only recruiting players who want to be horns" thing didnt real mean much when yall flipped shiro davis last minute last year...or had you landed frank herron this year.

again, totally open for discussion, but the notion of only wanting to recruit players who want to be horns seems really lazy. that's your job...to convince players that they want to be horns.
 
I don't think that';s what he meant Joe.
I think he means that if you want to commit then you are agreeing to quit looking around.
Otherwise he will tell them to wait to commit until they are done looking.
Of course he will continue to let 5 stars visit even if they have commited elsewhere. It's up to the other school to decide if they want to run the same policy, not Mack.
I like this VERY MUCH.

HOOK 'EM,
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And on paper I can buy that. I think it might even work with 3 star talent...that there legitimately might be available folks who are as good or better than.

I don't think that policy will work with the talent that the horns are trying to pull in. All it's going to lead to is players lying to you guys about taking visits.

For example Demetrius Knox...very talented offensive lineman who committed early took a visit to OU last weekend. Does Mack pull his offer knowing that at least in texas there aren't that many athletes as talented as he is?

I think we are in an era where the concept of being committed and still looking is the new norm/way the game is played. Coaches have to adapt. Ultimatums work with some players but I don't know that will work with all players.
 
And I think that approach will work for some players but not others.

Players committing quickly and then wanting to take visits is just a byproduct of the early recruiting culture that Mack himself created.
 
Does attending a Junior Day to another school count as a visit in Mack's policy that would result in Mack pulling back his offer? Mack needs to shut up and coach, and tell the kids one on one what conditions are on an offer. He even said a few days ago that each situation was different.
 
I agree with Mack if your not 100 % sure then freaking say so. Don't " commit " and then say your going to look around.
 
but mack has no issue going after players that are committed to other schools.

so he's ok doing it to other schools but not having it done to him.

again, i'm not trying to criticize (well maybe i am), i'm trying to figure out if this approach is realistic or some sort of unattainable goal that mack is setting.

demetrius knox is currently committed to the horns. i think he'll end up at least visiting alabama. does mack pull his offer then?
 
If you're a 4 or 5* player, you have every right to "look around" given UT's current football program's circumstance. We have a coach whose on thin ice, whom the alums and fans are pissed off at, and likely won't coach for us in 2014.

Given that, ANY "commitment" ought to be viewed, by us, as tepid at best. Not knowing who will coach them for their soph thru sr years has to lay heavy on a recruit. If they have a stable situation that suits them (Robinson, et al) then they need to look out for themselves. There are more programs out there than TEXAS, and we've learned in this decade there are many more that are better than ours - on the field.
 
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