longhorn football, the land of three stars

If you're going to tie yourself in knots concerned about how the players Charlie Strong recruits get evaluated by jock sniffing internet geeks and Suzanne Haliburton, then you live in a sad, worrisome world.

We used to laugh at the Aggies who trusted Sherman's talent evaluation. Funny thing though, the guy could evaluate and develop talent and that's been showing on the field and in the NFL draft. Strong has a better rep and better win record than Sherman ever had time to develop.
 
Strong now has a 4* so this thread is useless:

Zach Gentry
Pro-style (rated #6 P-S in the country by 24/7, #187 player over all)
6' 7"
230 lbs
4*
from Albuquerque NM
 
Actually I don't refute it, I hope it is correct. I just feel that Rivals over time has been a better indicator of talent. I understand "exceptions" by any rating system where a 3 star should have been a 5 star or where a 4 star should have been a 2 star and every rating service will have exception errors. It just seems to me Rivals has less negative or positive exceptions. One of the problems of any rating service is rating 16-17 year old kids that are still growing and maturing. These kids can grow anther inch, gain or lose a step, or gain 50 pounds. See Whaley.
Again, I hope Scout is right, especially for me on game day. Ha!
 
I follow Bobby Burton's recruiting service a little, 247 sports, which seems fairly well respected. On par with rivals and Scout. They list five 4 star rated players committed now with 4 or 5 others strongly leaning to the good guys.

Here are the 4 stars now on board: Vahe, Weathersby, Gentry, Stevenson, Elliot.

I don't think star rating is a shoe in for success. I think coaching them up, keeping them hungry, discipline, accountability and talent all are important ingredients in great team play.

That being said, I like to follow the recruiting ratings as much as most. So when two of the top three services have Texas with FIVE 4 stars, I look at the glass as half full, so to speak, and am positive about it. That's just me.
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I kind of get the lack of TE interest until UT proves they are going to really use a TE but DE at UT should be very desirable based on a good history at the position. I think Oscar Giles did a great job coaching the DEs and current DL coach Chris Rumph has an excellent resume.
 
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I've been away from hornfans and the entire internet for a little over a year and have made no comments on Strong's hire. When I heard he was hired something just didn't feel right. Among the coaches that were realistic candidates,Saban in my opinion was not and Briles was a real longhshot,I'd have preferred Malzahn or James Franklin but nobody called me.

Many sources in the media said he was not a good but a great recruiter. For what it's worth, which is nothing, he has my full support but in the end players win games and the recruitng rankings over the last 10-15 years support that in a big way. USC is something of an exception over the last five but I suspect they'll be back in the mix for national championships sooner rather than later with Sarkisian. As others have said success on the field will make all the difference.
 
^^^ We knew this. Nothing has changed. The moment Charlie's name was announced, we knew that he will have to win to get recruits. But he has won with much worse recruits.

As of now, he has a recruiting problem only with the state top-10 or so. The next class will be fairly well-loaded with four-star players (around national top-125 to national top-350). Probably 10-12 of them are fairly good bets to be at Texas even if the win-loss record is rather poor this year. This staff has worked quite well on them and impressed them too. We only had about 7 such players in the latest class. So the class next year will anyway be a top-10 class, near around 10 in the end.

But Charlie's problem has so far been with the state's top 10-15 players. The ones who know Texas will take them anytime if they want to come in, regardless of numbers at their position. If I were any of them I would wait too, even if I know of Charlie's proven record at other places - because you never know if that would translate to success at a place like Texas, which is quite a different beast. That is exactly what they are doing. All indications are that this staff has worked well on these top recruits though, and have not given them a bad feeling so far. Communication channels are open with many of them. The rest will depend on them seeing what comes out on the field.

If we win, there could will be some flips or late interest. May be from 2 or 3 out of the stat top-15. It's not that far-fetched. That will make it a class closer to top-5. I don't think we will cut too much into A&M's haul for 2015, barring some serious aggy collapse. But it helps that this staff is on to some national players of the same caliber - so the problem of the state's top bluechips going to aggy is a little less than under the previous regime.

So, just pray that Ash stays healthy, for a record better than 8 or 9 wins. I don't remember a player being so important to a program's recovery as he is now. Without Ash (even if Heard plays) we are guaranteed an extra 2-3 losses in the first 8-9 games which will hurt our ability to land the national top-150 players - and we would have recruited only ONE such player in two years. Pray with all you have, that Ash stays healthy, along with his RB group. Charlie will take care of the rest of it, especially defense.
 
Might sound a bit odd here on the negative based UT forum board, but I decided to look a little deeper on just who else offered these 3 star players- goodness seems like other top programs are struggling as well, or perhaps maybe the recruiting ratings system is flawed, but shoot that ain't no fun ....these are all "3 star commits" and dude they are welcome here in my book, if you think it's sad, lemme know what star you were.
Big salute from me to these kids, too bad you don't feel the same moonie.
-Stevenson, had offers from Bama, Ohio St, UCLA, Wisconsin
-Elliot LB offer from Aggie, OU, Nebraska and others
-Houston RB offers from UCLA, LSU, ARK and others
-Johnson RB Offers from USC and Cal
-Omenihu DE offers from Notre Dame, LSU, Florida, Nebraska
-Ramsey ...OU, LSU and Baylor
So they're good enough for the programs, but not you?

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More proof that Stars Mean Nothing.

College football's 2013 Associated Press All-American team had nearly as many five-star recruits (four) as two-star recruits (three), based on recruiting rankings at the time by Rivals. Among the 25 first-team All-Americans, 13 were not ranked among the top 20 players at their position coming out of high school.
 
Anybody really into star is a sadist and pretty much wastes their time. Well, that's unfair. They spend their time on something of very little substance. The miss ratio far outweighs the hit and it's a crap shoot most of the time. 5's don't pan out that often and 3's surprise the hell out of people often.

You just don't know if a kid will stop growing, not get stronger or not develop any further. You just don't. And some will do just that, get faster, stronger and better at the game.

Seriously, and this is old info by now, go look up the roster of your favorite team. Now go look up that of the Seahawks and Niners, the two Super Bowl teams.

Why is every player not from Bama, Texas, USC, Notre Dame and Florida? Why are there kids from Ball State, Idaho State and other programs you don't know the mascot or location of all over those rosters? That means every coach at every major school whiffed?! Or that it's not an exact science?

I enjoy watching highlight reels but they all look good. That's why they are highlight reels.The scouts and website gurus are not dumb either, they know a lot about football. (some way more than others) But they just don't know, they have to guess.

So if you enjoy it, cool. But don't get all emotional, it's a game and it's a guessing one at that with less X than Y to go by.
 
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