Live Anti-Trump Protests from JFK Airport 01/28/2017

This part is kind of amusing

(story posted Friday) "...... How, though, did the Trump administration choose these seven Muslim-majority countries? The truth is it didn’t: The countries were chosen during Barack Obama’s presidency.

According to the draft copy of Trump’s executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

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At the initial signing of the restrictions, foreigners who would normally be deemed eligible for a visa waiver were denied if they had visited Iran, Syria, Sudan or Iraq in the past five years or held dual citizenship from one of those countries.

In February 2016, the Obama administration added Libya, Somali and Yemen to the list of countries one could not have visited — but allowed dual citizens of those countries who had not traveled there access to the Visa Waiver Program. Dual citizens of Syria, Sudan, Iraq and Iran are still ineligible, however.

So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries. ....."


https://mic.com/articles/166845/the...mpiled-by-the-obama-administration#.6CT5fcPpf

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ProdigalHorn said:
I'm definitely torn on this one. One, I'm seeing reports that people are being turned away at US airports, who had already gotten on flights and arrived here lawfully, and are now being told they have to go back. I'm not OK with that. But I also don't know what the numbers really are - the reports have made it sound like there are hundreds of people stuck at the airport who can't come in and don't have anywhere to go.
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There are a little over a hundred being held. According to Prebius they will all be processed and let in the U.S. if everything checks out within 24 - 48 hours.

The lack of forewarning of the order, which is tactically sound, is what caused these initial folks who were in flight, to be held up. Going forward during this 120 day period, there shouldn't be anyone detained as now airlines would prevent you from boarding if you do not have the appropriate visa/passport.

You can't give a week advance notice...that defeats the whole purpose and effectiveness of the order. It would have just been for show, which sounds like something government leaders in the past would have done.

I keep reading liberals saying he's just appealing to his base. This, a temporary moratorium on travel into the country for non-US citizens from the existing State Department's VWP Country List, is exactly what Trump promised. And he did exactly what he said he was going to do.

For people getting a green card, it's our, the American People's, prerogative to enhance the immigration system's administration and protocol...which unfortunately extends their wait by 4 more months. Maybe after 4 months, the new visa and refugee protocols might be shorter and more effective. I've read it took some of these folks like 10 years (I'm not sure I read that right) to get vetted. I could totally see Trump promising, "10 years is too long and is indicative of our consular and homeland security problems. After we figure out how to do this better, the process will be much much shorter and much more effective."
 
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Joe Fan said:
Obama holla

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Joe...according to the Media, "Muslim Majority Country" is the term. Or is that an alternative fact?

I wonder then if "Radical Islamic Terrorism" is still faux pas in the media, or if the person in the DNC's Communication Office who gave them their marching order got fired?

My how their tune changes.
 
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Was this order from BO actually enforced?
Did I miss the MSM outrage on this? Did Hillary bash BO saying ." That is not who we are?"? Did I miss the protests?

The only difference I see between this and President Trump's order is his is a moratorium with an end date.
 
Horn6721 said:
Was this order from BO actually enforced?
Did I miss the MSM outrage on this? Did Hillary bash BO saying ." That is not who we are?"? Did I miss the protests?

The only difference I see between this and President Trump's order is his is a moratorium with an end date.
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Good question. https://www.cbp.gov/travel/internat...ement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq


"What is the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015? Why is it necessary to once again expand the amount of ESTA information being collected from VWP travelers?
DHS remains concerned about the risks posed by the situation in Syria and Iraq, where instability has attracted thousands of foreign fighters, including many from VWP countries. Such individuals could travel to the United States for operational purposes on their own or at the behest of violent extremist groups.

The U.S. Congress shares this concern, and on December 18, 2015, the President signed into law the Consolidated Appropriations Act 2016, which includes the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (the Act). The Act, among other things, establishes new eligibility requirements for travel under the VWP. These new eligibility requirements do not bar travel to the United States. Instead, a traveler who does not meet the requirements must obtain a visa for travel to the United States, which generally includes an in-person interview at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

DHS has updated the ESTA application with additional questions to address the new eligibility requirements under the Act.


What are the new eligibility requirements for VWP travel?
Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP:

  • Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, or countries listed under specified designation lists (currently including Iran and Sudan) at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
  • Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
These restrictions do not apply to VWP travelers whose presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen was to perform military service in the armed forces of a program country, or in order to carry out official duties as a full-time employee of the government of a program country. We recommend those who have traveled to the seven countries listed above for military/official purposes bring with them appropriate documentation when traveling through a U.S. port of entry.

The vast majority of VWP-eligible travelers will not be affected by the new Act. New countries may be added to this list at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security."

Do you think any of my Facebook friends will care to read that?
 
Or this. 6 months is more than 120 days right?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

"The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints.
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As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets."
 
Thanks 2000
It looks like a difference in President Trumps order is we are also, for now, excluding immigrants/refugees.
I don't see a time limit in BO's visa denial.

But the question is if BO's order was enforced how did those people everyone is whining about have visas to begin with?
 
I tell you, just when I'm about to be the contrarian republican friend to my liberal buddies...this Media crap/hypocrisy/lies pushes me hard the other way. You cannot believe anything they tell you.

Those links aren't to Fox News or some strange fake news Alt-Right blog. These are links to the US Customs and Border Patrol site and ABC News. This fervor of their agenda to anything but reporting facts has completely destroyed my trust in the Media. They've hurt themselves so bad, that I'm almost at the point where I just assume in conjunction with my own common sense, that what I hear from them is the opposite of reality.
 
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Horn6721 said:
Thanks 2000
It looks like a difference in President Trumps order is we are also, for now, excluding immigrants/refugees.
I don't see a time limit in BO's visa denial.
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The material differences is that Trump expands this to include (temporarily) visa holders. As you also mentioned, US national non-citizens (green card holders) will not be allowed re-entry for 90 days if traveling from one of these countries. He also capped refugees at 50,000 in 2017.

Specifically, Trump put a moratorium on visa holders from these countries for 120 days. Under the VWP, you can travel to the US without a visa. From what I can tell from the CBP site, is that all travelers from those countries (not eligible for VWP) needed to apply for a visa, which requires an in person interview and often times in these countries, takes more than 90 days in not 120 days.

The suspension of Iraqi refugees for 6 months is the thing that really gets me.
 
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Joe Fan said:
212(f) of the INA, 8 USC § 1182(f)
217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 USC § 1187(a)(12)


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Just so 6721 is clear...this did not ban the travel from or stop the processing of visas from these countries. It singled out/prohibited these countries completely from the visa waiver program forcing all visitors and immigrants to go through the full visa vetting process.

If you care about truth in reporting, the countries in Trump's EA are the ones from this act. The timing of vetting of visas from these countries vary by type, but often takes 18-24 months. The countries in Trump's EA are the ones in this act. So was Obama discriminating and singling out muslims? And the processing of refugees from Iraq was halted for 6 months in 2011.
 
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My view on the legal side of this is that there might be a conflict. Although I admit I dont know much about immigration law.

Congress itself could do what Trump did (I think this is without issue). Congress has plenary power under the Const “to exclude aliens or prescribe the conditions for their entry into this country.”
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/408/753/case.html

Can a President do this too claiming executive power/national security? What are the limits on a President's use of executive power? For example, see Truman and the steel strike https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/343/579/case.html
What if what the president does is only temporary -- designed to protect national security until a full law to address the matter can be enacted?

McCarthy says a President can do this now on these grounds. He points out that Jimmy Carter did ban Iranians. I dont think there is any doubt a President can if Congress delegated its power to do so. Did they here? What if they did not? He might not or even probably could not if Congress expressly said he could not, but what if they have not? And, in this case, Congress arguably has already carved out an exception by virtue of the provisions in section 1187(a)(12)? (which amend the 1965 amendments embodied in 8 USC §1152).
 
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"..... . So today the true villain of the Syria story—aside from Syria, Russia, and Iran—is the feckless Obama foreign policy that allowed a cyst to metastasize into a cancer, just as Britain, France, and America once allowed Hitler to grow into the master of Europe.

The Obama officials and cheerleaders now guilt-tripping the country over “heartlessness” toward Syria refugees are giving hypocrisy a bad name. Bad foreign policy is the cause of the heartbreak in Syria today, not bad immigration policy. The world does not need lectures from Susan Rice and Samantha Power on what we should do about Syrian refugees; the best way to deal with refugee flows is to prevent them from happening. The Holocaust was not caused by the Reed-Johnson Act; it was caused by Nazi hatred, enabled by naive liberal illusions about the “arc of history” that prevented the West from mobilizing against Hitler when he was weak and easily defeated.

What the progressives want to do now is to turn the immigration debate into a morality play with Trump cast not as FDR (who on this point he closely and even eerily resembles) but as Satan. Obama’s role (and the role of non-interventionist Democrats) in making the Syrian mess so intractable can be airbrushed out of the picture. The national conversation shall be only and always about courageous, compassionate, and deeply humane progressives resisting the forces of Republican and especially Trumpian darkness......"

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/01/28/the-refugee-ban-and-the-holocaust/
 
Because Libs conveniently refuse to look two feet behind or in front of their face.

They refuse to acknowledge doing the same type things (immigrant bans) in the past and ignore future consequences of selfish actions (Reid going nuclear).

In this case, Florida went for DT. The Cuban vote betrayed their cause so they don't get special coddling anymore.

"In Florida, Cubans were about twice as likely as non-Cuban Latinos to vote for Donald Trump. More than half (54%) supported the Republican president-elect, compared with about a quarter (26%) of non-Cuban Latinos, according to National Election Pool exit poll data."

A larger percentage of Cubans (54%) voted for DT than even non-Latinos (51%).

That and I assume Obama had some sort of understanding as part of the new deal with the Castro regime that he would do this before he left.

What they fail to realize is how the Cuban American population will react to Obama's parting gift in the next election. Expect that 54% to rise quite a bit.

In a hotly-contested battleground state the Libs just betrayed part of their minority strategy. Just further proves they only pander to minorities who blindly vote Lib.
 
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So let me get this straight, we have service men that puts their life on the line months and months at a time to help keep us safe, but we have some coming from hot bed nations for terrorism being held to vet for around 24 hours and they are throwing a fit due to some inconveniences? So they don't want to do their part and help keep us safe.

President Trump ran on this and the American People overwhelmingly voted for this. The people are behind this even though you wouldn't know it watching the news reports. Let's face it, the Liberals are only louder and not civil when they don't get their way. Stay strong President Trump because the majority are behind you.

One more thing, I don't give a damn if we are a country of immigrants. We aren't in the Mayberry days of The Archie Griffin Show anymore. So if you can't jump aboard on helping our Country with safety first then you look in the mirror to see where the problem starts.
 
Horn6721 said:
The only difference I see between this and President Trump's order is his is a moratorium with an end date.
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The difference is that the program referenced there had to do with changes to the waver program, which meant that people from those countries were not eligible to travel for a short time without a visa. They could still travel to the US - they weren't actually banned, at least from what I read. They just couldn't get into the express line.

I'm not saying Trump is banning people from those countries permanently, but he is banning them temporarily.
 
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