Little Orphan Aggy

Hookem123

Hookem123

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Poor Aggy

They're out of big brother's shadow, in fact they're out of big brother or even little brother. Ex-big brother Texas isn't gonna play em any more. Ex-little brother Tech isn't gonna play em any more. Ex-little brother Baylor isn't play em any more. Ex-little brother TCU isn't gonna play em any more.

Poor Little Orphan Aggy, no one loves em any more.
 
This is from a link on the other thread on this topic --- just made me laugh:

Byrne also said his coaches in all sports are checking with their counterparts at Texas in terms of nonconference scheduling. So far he’s only heard back from men’s tennis, and the Longhorns have declined the offer.
 
When they get no away games close to home their recruiting actually drops. LSU is pretty close and that's it. If you want to play in the SEC, just go to LSU or Bama. I'll be shocked if this works out well for them. When they average 5-6 losses a year, they are going to wish they had stayed put.
 
What I find amusing is watlching aggy fan post that Texas is "sour" and that's why they won't play them. Pot. Kettle. Black. aggy makes me laugh.
 
Sounds childish and petty to an outsider.

A&M will get to play much better competition week in and week out and they were still willing to play old conference rivals.

Who will TT and Baylor have to look forward to playing?
 
I agree that A&M wil eventually wish they had stayed in the Big 12 with thier old rivals.
I don't agree with nearly everyone on this site that feels that they are no longer worthy of keeping the 'Horns on thier football schedule.If the game ends, both sides lose.
Our side DOES look petty and weak for finding all these excuses for canceling the game.
Where there is a will there is a way. If the Texas leadership wants to keep the game, they can do it. Just move some of the other out of conference games around and get it done.
KEEP PLAYING THE FOOTBALL GAMEEVERY YEAR.
 
The Big 12 teams should seek SMU, Rice and Houston games with the condition that these teams will not schedule aggy. aggy wants out of Texas so everyone should do everything possible to help them.
 
Has anyone heard what aggy plans to do with their ignorant *** fight song?
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They're the ones who desparately wanted out of this "conference" marriage.

They're the one who **** on 100+ years of history.

They're the ones who NEVER understood the concept of bragging rights if you win, but shut the hell up when you lose.

They were part of the B12 when the conf agreed to the $1.17B FOX TV gig. So much for honoring commitments. Anyone here recall the discussion Craig & Roger Wallace were having up in Ames about the facility upgrades and finiacial commitments ISU had made based on that FOX revenue stream?

Now aggy want to be BFFs and keep playing.

I have a long term storage suggestion for Richard Justice's opinion on the subj, too. And the sun doesn't shine there.

I say nope...

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SHS1984,

Not to rag on you or to say that you don't have a right to want it, but on any thread abt Texas and the aggy you keep saying how much you want this rivary to continue.

I've read all of your reasons, and what I would like to respectfuly ask is if you have some kind of relationship / history with A&M? I'm just wondering what is behind your strong obssession with this game continuing despite Dodds and Powers saying "No" and despite so many (most?) Longhorn fans wanting it to be over.
 
I’ve had a thought about the whole “rival game” mess, and have sat down and tried to make the argument as clean and thorough as I can. I stand by this as my sole opinion on the matter, and can accept disagreements on it. But for me, this is what it’s all about, and it is how I read into every bit of dialog on it, including the entire move out of the conference and into the SEC. I’m a great fan of Epictetis and the band of Stoic Philosophers (the name comes from the porch… stoa… where they often met, and is not about some kind of stern cold posture of view, but rather about seeing things for what they really are and not being swayed by the superfluous. So here it is. My take on it.---------------------------------
Getting your mind right. Or, validate me, please?

The petition from A&M to continue an annual rival football game with Texas – perhaps to include sports both major and minor, and to include competitions with Baylor as well – is not purely to preserve the football game, as a matter solely unto itself. No, it’s about something else deep down.

The core purpose to preserve the game is to receive a show of support, validation and acceptance in the mind, if not in the heart, for the very departure of A&M from the Big 12 and it’s new membership in the SEC. It’s all about acceptance. Pure and simple.

It’s about a ‘pat on the back’ and a salute as if to say, “You are the man! You just out-Texas’d Texas!”

'say uncle'

There is another aspect to that as well. It’s also about “saying uncle.”

For Texas A&M to petition for the game, and then to get it, it all comes down finally to this:

“Validate us once and for all -- and now, say uncle. Go on… say it.”

The entire move out of the Big 12 and – not just to any conference, but into the SEC – was about validation and getting Texas to ‘say uncle.’ For that reason, the move had really two parts: making the move as a ‘poke in the eye’ and then getting UT to say uncle. That is why the preservation of the annual rival game is so important. It’s the twist in the validation, and in getting UT to say uncle.

Those who support playing the game have (I think, as part of it at least) a dog in the fight to want to see Texas say uncle and do the bidding of A&M – at a time when A&M went out of their way to assert themselves and pick a fight with conference alignment the arena for the fight. And all with the risk of upsetting nine other programs and putting their athletic departments and futures in jeopardy. A&M badly wants 'hearts and minds' to say it is really okay and is no big deal. We'll even welcome you to our stadiums and arenas and be glad to come see you at your place anytime. It's all really okay.

Because now for Texas to shun the Aggie game, and for Baylor to refuse further athletic competition, that – to A&M – is a way of showing A&M the opposite: it’s to say “you stink, and we want no part of you. We don’t like what you did, we don’t accept it as a valid move for the reasons you put forth, and we don’t like your attitude displayed about it from your top administrators and athletic department. We accept it on the practical basis of your right to do it, and for any reason on earth you wish to do it, but inwardly in our minds and hearts we reserve the right not to like it, not to philosophically buy into it, and will not permit you twist our thoughts and feelings into saying it’s really okay.”

That is what A&M does not want to hear, and does not want to live with. In the end, in a kind of childish act, A&M just wanted approval, acceptance, recognition and a chance to just win something. Anything. And it is not enough to just leave, to walk and and get an annual football schedule 'with the big boys,' A&M wants the whole nine yards: the acceptance and the validation in the hearts and minds of all. Continuing the rival games, and in an agreeable manner, is the final way to get that acceptance that is now seen as so desperately wanted and needed. And it shows what's really at the core of their conference move in the first place. It's a lot more about the intangibles, than the tangibles.just stop the horse....

So this affair of preserving the annual rival game is all about subtext. It’s not really about ‘playing the game.’ It’s about validation, it’s about what is thought not what is done, and it’s about the tangible and intangible matter of ‘saying uncle.’

So can we just stop the ********* (appropriate word I think, given the fact aggies like to shovel it in parades) can we stop the ********* level of talk surrounding the promotion of that game, and just call it for what it is? Epictetus gave strong advice for the noble sincerity in always naming things for what they are. So let’s at least do that. Name it for what it is: playing the game validates A&M in general, and it lets A&M make others 'say uncle.' That's all it is.

A&M’s move out of the conference and into the SEC was also not purely about lofty considerations for the next 100 years. It was about the present moment, and was primarily and simply about poking a finger in the eye of The University of Texas. Period. Exclamation point.

If it was all about getting as far away from UT as possible, it would have been handled with no snotty comments from the President and Chancellor (we’re gonna go play with the big boys), and would not have included a plea to continue anymore sports competition with UT. And would not have been precluded in late July and early August with a tantrum over the Longhorn Network. It would have been persued a year ago when the Big 12 agreements were signed after Nebraska and Colorado left and would have been handled with timing and forthrightness that Missouri is demonstrating right now. Up front, a year in advance, at a time long term agreements are being put into place. In other words, any plan that reaches out a hundred years surely is planned and undertaken with more time actively on the task than 30 days -- might I add, right when ESPN announces a 20-year full partnership with The University of Texas.

with a poke in the ribs, just say 'no thanks'

As it was, the rest of the Big 12 also got a poke in the ribs while A&M was poking UT in the eye, and it cost a lot of unnecessary sleepless nights (read: administrative costs) for programs wondering what their future held in terms of conference alignment.

Now, thanks to A&M, the Big 12 has every good chance of moving forward with added revenue and more equal Tier 1 and 2 sharing among all Big 12 conference members than previous. Or, better said, ‘no thanks’ to A&M. And that’s just the point. Many in the remaining Big 12 do not wish to thank A&M for leaving, do not wish to ‘pat them on the back’ on the way. No need to go out of one’s way to kiss someone’s behind who just… showed you their behind.

We, as a conference, still have our pride in tact and our conference in tact. And it’s without Texas A&M. The move out of the conference was not a welcomed move, not by a long shot. It came close to shutting down the conference completely. It unseated at least two rival traditions of one hundred plus years. But it’s all in the past now. And that’s where it should be left. Out with the old, in with the new.

A&M needs to stop petitioning for acceptance and validation and just get on with their new conference competition in both major and minor sports that is all to their liking -- and leave its former Big 12 partners alone. In the same manner A&M feels the need to embrace a whole new set of athletic competitions, so too does the remaining Big 12 need to set about embracing it’s new schedule.

And in the spirit of out with the old, in with the new – the new schedules for the Big 12 does not include good old Texas A&M.

Accept that. Validate that.

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Hookem123
your attitude towards this issue seems very Aggie-like to me. I don't say this to insult you, but to point out that the obession to isolate them reminds me of the traits that so many that post here point out about them.
The best way to punish A&M is to play them every year after they have been beat down by a tough SEC schedule and make thier season even worse.
 
No SHS1984 the way to punich them is to ignore them. Texas has nothing to gain by playing a mid-to-back of the pack SEC team.
 
SHS1984,

No the best way to punish Aggy is to resist giving them a national televised game for them to showcase their corps cult. At least the state of Texas will be free of swords being drawn on cheerleaders, turd tossers, Alamos in Lubbock, nut squeezing, swords being drawn on Elvis, all boy cheerleaders, jizz jars, cannons being pulled to Waco, holding bands hostage, painting of a certain mascot horse while having it blamed on others, throwing red kool-aid on yourself while claiming it was others, putting stink bait in your own bus while blaming others.

Nope it isn't so much about punishment as it simply being free of the nonsense. BTW 2018 isn't long enough for the corps cult to grow up, it hasn't happened in the past 100 years and in won't happen in Bowtie's next 100 years.

Still the Big 12 must have Texas schools thrive, and in no way aid the SECond in the recruitment of our local talent. Would it not be better to have 4 or 5 strong Texas school rather than just three, Texas, TCU, and Tech as the past decade has shown? Adding a strong Baylor and Houston maybe, all while Aggy struggles to go .500 in the SECond just as they have struggled to do so in the Big 12. Would this not be better for the state of Texas?

Little Orphan Aggy is not needed.
 
Texas doesn't need A&M but A&M also doesn't need Texas. Both are better off with each other though. I understand the hate (on both sides) but to act like the game doesn't matter if just foolish. For instance I have a block of seats in the Zone at Kyle and current prices for the seats in my section are $1000-1200 on Stubhub, Zone Club seats and seats between the 40's are going for a LOT more. That's basically double World Series prices. While that may be inflated for this year with the "last game of the series" on the line it is also an indication there is serious demand and it's not all just Aggies.

A&M is going to have a great schedule going forward and plenty of exposure in Texas. 6 games are at Kyle. The Arkansas game now appears to be set to stay in Dallas though it may shift to home and home. LSU and the Mississippi schools are also in the heart of A&M's recruiting grounds over the last few years where the only drawback has been the fact A&M isn't in the SEC. That really only leaves a few games outside of the prime recruiting areas but most of them will be to huge name teams like Auburn, Bama, Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia with the rare game against Vandy or South Carolina. A&M already has SMU on the schedule and will likely continue to play them. The non Big 12 schools are all likely to want to play A&M, especially if A&M does a home and home (which they usually won't have to do). A&M gives a large buyout for the minor teams and is a short drive and is gold for any type of series because they will travel 40k (or more) for a home game in Dallas, Houston, or San Antonio which is larger than many of the normal stadiums those teams play in.

A&M also has no interest in Baylor or Tech in the near future for many reasons though it is comical to say either wouldn't kill to keep A&M on the schedule as that game has been pivotal in season ticket sales for both schools for decades. A&M sold out season tickets this year and every game as well (just a handful of returns left for KU game now) and that won't change with the big name SEC teams on the schedule. A&M will also have virtually every game on National TV with the SEC move because of the far superior TV deal (not even counting the dollars).

Texas has a horrific home schedule for the next several years. Next year the big game is either TCU or Missouri. Already this year Texas has been running promotions for several games to sell tickets and the announced crowd vs the actual crowd is becoming more and more obvious. I don't see how dropping the A&M game is going to help that. Texas will be fine of course but it was a mistake not to keep the A&M game. It's really going to feel bad if the Aggies win at Kyle this year and finish out the series taking the last 2 games.
 
Look! Gomer aggressor shows back up. Where were you when your so-called team was snatching defeat from the jaws of victory two weeks in a row? Get the **** off our site, you sorry sack of ****.
 
IF the aggys win this year they will be 4 of the last 12.............which is their historical average.

Texas A&M, Since 1876

or 2006, which is it ags?
 
aggressor,

Nice try.

Two years ago and the game before that it looked like DKR East there was so much orange in the tackle box. Dollar Bill was begging aggy to buy tickets. Guess what, the worlds greatest fans (self-proclaimed of course) are just as fickle a fan base as Longhorns when the team is not in the national picture. Just because there is demand right now doesn't mean it won't evaporate when aggy returns to its rightful place of mid-pack conference (oh yea, wait to see if you can even acheive that in the next three years in your new neighborhood)

aggy is the only one wanting to continue the series, NOT TEXAS. We don't need you, and we don't want to screw teams we already have contracts with to make you happy. We understand breaking promises is OK for aggy (see your Administration statements in August of 2010), but not for us.

If the series is so important you should have considered that BEFORE your tantrum. You wanted to go, TEXAS didn't fight it, now GO and leave us alone. We have no interest in you, your milkmen, your nut-squeezers, or any of your other weird actions.

Everything aggy can't acheive (like playing someone they told they didn't want to be associated with) is not TEXAS fault, get over it. Go whine to Bama, or Auburn, or Arky, or Florida, their your future abusers.
 
Texas won 6 in a row from '00-'05. A&M won 10 of 11 from '84-'94. Essentially the series is tied since scholarship limitations took effect and A&M allowed in women. If it makes you feel good to talk about past wins vs current more power to you. None of that really matters anyway, the future is what counts and the gap between A&M and Texas and the rest of the schools in this state is becoming a canyon.

Taking some time off is fine. A Cotton Bowl with both teams would be a lot of fun. A&M could certainly use a few years of an easier schedule to adjust to the SEC. Eventually though there is just too much money being left on the table by the teams not playing every year. Texas will likely schedule Tech or TCU Thanksgiving weekend and A&M will schedule LSU or Arkansas, life will go on in the meantime. Texas can't hurt A&M just as A&M can't really hurt Texas, both schools are too strong to bully each other anymore and it is counterproductive.

Please stop with the calls for love of the B12 btw, it really looks foolish. Half the schools in the conference (including Texas) either actively explored leaving or are still keeping options on the table. If the Pac 12 takes OU the B12 was dead. Every school is just looking out for itself and that's fine.
 
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