liberal athiests have higher IQ's

All 18 of my employees are pretty damn liberal and 1 of those 18 is an atheist. I can say with a straight face that this liberal atheist employee of mine probably has a higher IQ than I do- hell, maybe even 2 more of my employees have a higher IQ than me. That being said, I have never tested my IQ - I mean what the hell is the point? It doesn't seem to translate to mean anything. . . . . actually, I guess it does translate to something - after all, this liberal atheist employee of mine is really damn good at doing what I tell him.

For what its worth, I'm conservative and a reformed Christian.
 
If anyone is interested in learning about the failures of people with high IQ, I’d suggest reading “Outliers” by Gladwell. His premise is to explain how IQ is not a requisite to success, and in all cases (like Mozart), IQ isn’t really the determining factor. The highest IQ on record belongs to a man who never graduated college and never made anything of himself.

He points out, IQ is like height. Sure, being taller in basketball is a bonus, but at some point, being taller doesn’t really help... It could even hurt. The best basketball players of all time are not the tallest. The most influential people of our lives do not have the highest IQs.

That guy that works for 7 iron is a great example of how high IQ does not determine success. Look at George W Bush. He is a very smart man, but nobody would call him a genius. By all objective measures, he will have achieved much more success in his profession than any of us (yet a lot of us do have a higher IQ).
 
I noticed that they took averages. And I would guess that more dumb people are devout than not. I believe this is because they don't tend to try to think outside the lines or be unconventional really. They just act a bit like Forrest Gump. Momma said believe in Jesus so I do. No thinking required. That type of thing.
I wonder, if they did the study another way. Took people who all had an IQ over 130 say, if they would find difference. My guess is that they would.
Also, I have taken a couple of IQ tests and I generally score just above 140. I don't think that at all equates to sucess, or necessarily what you do. I remember an English Prof telling me once the smartest guy he knew was a janitor by profession. That type of stuff starts us into how we measure 'success' Degrees? Money? Position? etc. So maybe the smart janitor does know something we don't?
 
I have a mental image of all those liberal atheists burning in hell! Bwahahahaha!

IQ tests are designed to correlate with success in school and school curriculum is designed to promote success in society. IQ tests are not perfect but they are highly correlated with success in school and income level. For a variety of reasons many very bright people do not look for high paying jobs or higher education degrees but median incomes and median education levels increase along with median IQ levels. And there are definite human abilities that are correlated with success that are not necessarily measured by IQ tests, for example, initiative, perseverance in the face of adversity, social skills, etc.
 
most people really dont realize what a high iq is. it is basically the speed in which you process information. being a liberal pseudo-intellectual type does not make for a high iq. you may be really bright but not necessarily have a high iq. i dated a girl with a 160 iq. she was borderline crazy. had to be stimulated intellectually all the time. she could read about playing an instrument and play it, draw anything, made an almost perfect score on sat. studied a few days for the bar and passed, could read about calculus and apply it. ive known a few ceo's like this, just completely brilliant people. those internet iq tests are stupid, i take them in the time alloted and i get a rediculous scores like 150 but i am nowhere near as smart as the people i know that have iq's.
 
First of all, IQ is a measure of how well people perform on IQ tests. It is not a direct measure of "intelligence" or of thought velocity. Mass is quite an objectively defined property that can be rather objectively measured. Intelligence means different things to different people and is only measurable indirectly. "Intelligence" tests actually measure skills which, granted, can be influenced by mental talents. These same skills are also affected by familiarity with the item types, with test-taking in general, and other factors.

The lay article linked does not go into the details of the study methods so it is hard to know how well the study controls for a number of confounding factors even once one grants that IQ scores are meaningful. What correlations exist, e.g., between propensity to identify oneself as liberal based on age and education level at the time of the survey? Would the answers be different had 12-year olds been quizzed versus 65-year olds? Would the results change based on different generations quizzed at similar ages, e.g. Baby Boomers versus WWII generation?

The conclusions make great press, but one has to be careful reading too much into a lay summary of a soft science population study.
 
Haha Longtex, I am sorry to hear of your kid's run-in with the school, but that encapsulates so much of what is wrong with our education and psychometrics establishments that it makes me laugh.
 
well, i'm not sure what kind of IQ tests you all are taking. the legitimate one given to me in a hospital involved all kinds of memory tests.... such as the testor saying ten numbers in a row and you recited them backwards. you would basically go as long as you could until you couldn't go anymore.

several other puzzles, where you would have a story made out into several slides or pieces of a puzzle, and then you would put them in the order you think the events happened.

others where identifying patterns quickly. this seems to be a huge part of IQ gathering. when i took the mensa test it was divided into two parts..... one consisted mostly of puzzles/pattern finding, that type of thing.

the second part was more like the wonderlic test you see at the combine.

because the brain is different, they would accept a top 2% score on either test, didn't need to be both.

but i guess i don't understand why this bothers some people. some people are better at figuring out puzzles and solving problems like that, some people are better at sports than others, some people are more physically attractive, others are better communicators. it is just another charactaristic of a person, it just happens to be one that can be measured with a certain degree of accuracy.... where as most of the others are subjective (less so for athletic ability probably). it doesn't mean that someone won't be successful anymore than saying that someone that isn't a "9" or a "10" in the looks department won't find a loving relationship.
 
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I had a feeling the majority of hornfans posters had genius IQ and bodies like underwear models. It’s why I feel so comfortable here.
 
"such as the testor saying ten numbers in a row and you recited them backwards"

This is a great example of a skill that can be honed but which most people never bother to improve. There is a reason "intelligence tests" are kept from the public as much as possible: they are coachable. The SAT was billed as measuring aptitude until relatively recently when the advent of better preparation programs exposed it as measuring coachable skills.

If you are from a background that, for whatever reason, exposed you to more of the skills that are measured in intelligence tests, you will tend to score higher. If you are from a very different background than the item writers, you are less likely to score well. The son of a psychometrician or a child who has been in talented-and-gifted programs will outperform a similarly talented child of immigrant farm workers.
 
dude, you're super smart.
isn't that the point of this thread?
 
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