Kwiatcollapseski

Denmark said:
I listened to the game on the radio, and Brockemeyer was named about every third tackle? Must have been doing someting right.
Click to expand...
Brock has been playing pretty well this year. At TCU, it seemed that he may have sustained some minor injuries and hurts.

what’s up with Gbenda?
 
To Sabre’s point, If you’ve watched any Univ of Washington Football, he loves a 3-man front but he also had talent at that position. I’m not sure we’re there yet!
 
Chop said:
Brock has been playing pretty well this year. At TCU, it seemed that he may have sustained some minor injuries and hurts.

what’s up with Gbenda?
Click to expand...
It seems to me like I remember there being concerns about his agility and quickness when he signed, but he was the best we could get.
 
1 I don't think we have the horses yet. I like our inside linemen, O, CBs named Cook and Jamison.

2 everyone is talking about that 99 yard drive like it ACTUALLY COST US. It didn't. It ate up clock. We won because that's all they could do in the 4th. One score. We're up and all we gave up was one score.

3 is a separate topic to the last sentence, but.. 1st quarter was the issue. After that we gave up 13 points the last 3 quarters. His bend, don't break D was pretty effective.

4 turnovers are huge for game outcome success. We killed there. That deserves credit.
 
I also give coach K a B-. we have essentially the same players as last year but someone taught them to tackle and move to the ball. A big 4th quarter play that was the safest bet for the typical 5 out of 7 year loss was avoided and a lot of time was spent on the long drive. Coach K is a teacher. These same players are being coached up rather than languishing out of position. I don't think e have the players we need for other schemes but I think he will create and recruit them.
We have not tackled in years.
 
X Misn Tx said:
1 I don't think we have the horses yet. I like our inside linemen, O, CBs named Cook and Jamison.

2 everyone is talking about that 99 yard drive like it ACTUALLY COST US. It didn't. It ate up clock. We won because that's all they could do in the 4th. One score. We're up and all we gave up was one score.

3 is a separate topic to the last sentence, but.. 1st quarter was the issue. After that we gave up 13 points the last 3 quarters. His bend, don't break D was pretty effective.

4 turnovers are huge for game outcome success. We killed there. That deserves credit.
Click to expand...

Nobody can disagree agree with your first point as to not having the horses, with a few exceptions. The best that can come from him in year one is how well he can adjust to offenses, and coaching up the players. I think I have seen some improvements in fundamentals by many of the players.

OU will give him a real test, but just because he does not have the talent to put a governor on a Lincoln Riley offense is no reason to throw him to the dogs. The teams that have held the OU offense to fewest points this year have kept their offense on the field. That means Texas must call a really good offensive game and get a lot of help from the “O” line. Uh oh!
 
On the bright side for this coming week: OU’s formerly stout OL is looking pretty shaky this year. They also lack their usual running game.
 
X Misn Tx said:
2 everyone is talking about that 99 yard drive like it ACTUALLY COST US. It didn't. It ate up clock. We won because that's all they could do in the 4th. One score. We're up and all we gave up was one score.
Click to expand...
This is a good point. While I hate long drives — and they can be demoralizing — they do take up precious time and they also afford the defense a shot at turnovers. Such a strategy could be effective this coming Saturday.
 
dukesteer said:
This is a good point. While I hate long drives — and they can be demoralizing — they do take up precious time and they also afford the defense a shot at turnovers. Such a strategy could be effective this coming Saturday.
Click to expand...
If that was the strategy, why throw away 4 free points?
 
Chop said:
On the bright side for this coming week: OU’s formerly stout OL is looking pretty shaky this year. They also lack their usual running game.
Click to expand...
Wait till they play us. It will be Rashaad Salom all over again where we will make mediocre look like heisman. Hoping there is some kind of transformation this week but dont have high hopes. You have to give this team and coaching credit because there is visible improvement on both sides of the ball from last year. As much as I have complained about the OL, they are light years better than against the pigs. I hate to see okafor hurt but he and jones are just a feeding frenzy for future defenses. They know where to go and know they will be successful.
 
Horn6721 said:
Longhorn Dave
Your point about Coach K being a teacher is a great one.
Coaching players up will benefit us tremendously
Even if all are not 5 star.
Click to expand...
Thank you AND I attended the Georgia UT game in 1984. 10 to 9 and cost a National Championship taking easy 3 points. Glad we won but it would be easy for me to criticize not taking easy 3 points after the fact. I still think go for the kill shot on the 1 yard line. I was wrong and I accept it. I loved the game and I really like the direction of our program (rather than just wishing). We have had coach recruiters that could not coach much less teach. We have had coaches that looked great in failure. Now we have teachers and a head coach that has miserably failed and learned from his failure. He owned it. He gets it. Sark understands learning from failure is good more than most.

Texas has had a reputation for good recruiting but not evaluating or developing players in some corners. This has ended. Thank you coaches K and Sark and Flood. The offensive line improvement and defensive tackling is wonderful.
 
Just sack the Rat, not just pressure because he can still escape, not like Murray, but still elusive. Coach K will have to get creative and the boys will have to make some tough tackles.
 
zuckercanyon said:
Sooooo Jett Bush was a walk on and Brockermeyer was.....a walk on?????? Decommitted from Rice? There's your defense, fellas....
Click to expand...
Zuck, apparently I am less impressed with the prior “expert” evaluation than you are.

I don’t care how Brockermeyer was rated coming out of high school, or what he did prior to coming to Texas. I care about how he has developed, and how he is playing today. He’s playing, and Ayodele Adeoye — a 4-star per Rivals and the # 12 LB for 2018 class — isn’t. That same year Sam Cosmi was a 3-star and not rated nationally. He’s the starting right tackle for Washington now. How about Conner Williams? Now the starting LG for the Cowboys, he was the 223rd rated OL for the 2015 class. Then there’s D’Onta Foreman, a 2-star that won the Doak Walker…

Player evaluation is an inexact science to be kind. It cannot assess how players are developed. Let me add that no one can evaluate the size of the player’s heart. That would certainly apply to Luke Brockermeyer.

One additional comment. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see if his brothers, now at Alabama, decided that they wanted to play for Sark’s and with their older brother, and came to Texas next year. Stranger things have happened.
 
LonghornDave said:
Brock is playing lights out.
Click to expand...
Was he playing lights out when Evans broke loose and scored the first touchdown? Was he playing lights out when evans beat him to the corner on a subsequent play? Evans put his hand out like he was going to stiff arm him and then realized it wasn't necessary. I'm sure he's giving 110 percent which is lovely for you Blake Gideon lovers but if you want to win the conference title or more, you don't have two starters on defense that were former walkons....
 
It's surreal that there are people walking around out there who still think Gideon was not a good player.
 
Last edited:
For this year, I think we'll see plenty of bend-but-don't-break performances and holding opponents in the 20s. That's a big step up from our defensive performance over most of the last decade, but still not where we'd ultimately like to be. That may be all we get this year, and it should be adequate for just about all the rest of the games on our schedule.

With (hopefully) better and better talent coming in, and the talent we have on board getting properly coached over multiple years, we should develop a top 1-2 D in the conference for most years. Make that top 1-2 D in the division when we move to the SEC.
 
dukesteer said:
Zuck, apparently I am less impressed with the prior “expert” evaluation than you are.

I don’t care how Brockermeyer was rated coming out of high school, or what he did prior to coming to Texas. I care about how he has developed, and how he is playing today. He’s playing, and Ayodele Adeoye — a 4-star per Rivals and the # 12 LB for 2018 class — isn’t. That same year Sam Cosmi was a 3-star and not rated nationally. He’s the starting right tackle for Washington now. How about Conner Williams? Now the starting LG for the Cowboys, he was the 223rd rated OL for the 2015 class. Then there’s D’Onta Foreman, a 2-star that won the Doak Walker…

Player evaluation is an inexact science to be kind. It cannot assess how players are developed. Let me add that no one can evaluate the size of the player’s heart. That would certainly apply to Luke Brockermeyer.

One additional comment. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see if his brothers, now at Alabama, decided that they wanted to play for Sark’s and with their older brother, and came to Texas next year. Stranger things have happened.
Click to expand...
Riiigght that Sam Cosmi that was going to be a top 10 first rounder according to some on this board. How is D'Onta doing in the NFL? What was our record while D'Onta was playing? You are NOT going to get a conference title with walk ons starting on your defense, because they'll get burned because they don't have the athletic ability to do it for 4 quarters. And sometimes not one quarter. Blake Gideon started for 4 years. He was fine while he was surrounded with better talent. Get to 2010 and 2011, what were the results? No Earl Thomas to bail him out after 2009. And that would be sooo interesting to see the Brockemeyers leave Saban and Alabama.....what color is the sky in your world? The way some of you gush on this site about the also-ran low-star no scholarship player who gets to start, you're so blinded by that love that you don't realize where the program is with those guys on the field. You may as well be aspiring to be TCU or Baylor, not Texas or Oklahoma. You win championships by recruiting 4s and 5s regularly and then get that special qb/player that makes the difference (LSU and Joe Burrow/Texas and Vince Young). And your 3-star qb won a lot of games at Texas until he got hurt against Alabama. Let's hear some more sob stories about "if only Colt hadn't gotten hurt".....
 
Chop said:
It's surreal that there are people walking around out there who still think Gideon was not a good player.
Click to expand...
He had allll those interceptions but someone should make a highlight reel of him getting to the receiver just a liiiittttlle too late so many times...touchdown....
 
longhornlegend said:
Wait till they play us. It will be Rashaad Salom all over again where we will make mediocre look like heisman. Hoping there is some kind of transformation this week but dont have high hopes. You have to give this team and coaching credit because there is visible improvement on both sides of the ball from last year. As much as I have complained about the OL, they are light years better than against the pigs. I hate to see okafor hurt but he and jones are just a feeding frenzy for future defenses. They know where to go and know they will be successful.
Click to expand...
I'm not a college coach (and neither are any other posters aorund here...), but maybe we'd be better off if our O-tackles were Kerstetter and Karic, and Jones and Okafor play strictly guard (along with Angilau). That may be where we're at now with Okafor hurt, I don't recall... But I think Jones was still getting frequently bested at OT by speed rushers on the outside.

Kerstetter is a do-it-all and do it well sort of OL. Karic isn't a big bruiser and doesn't serve up many pancakes, but he's pretty quick and I think he'd handle the speed rushers on the outside better than Jones.
 
Player evaluation is an inexact science to be kind. It cannot assess how players are developed. Let me add that no one can evaluate the size of the player’s heart. That would certainly apply to Luke Brockermeyer.

One additional comment. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see if his brothers, now at Alabama, decided that they wanted to play for Sark’s and with their older brother, and came to Texas next year. Stranger things have happened.[/QUOTE]

Heart isn't going to catch the faster guy, 10 times out of 10....
 
zuckercanyon said:
He had allll those interceptions but someone should make a highlight reel of him getting to the receiver just a liiiittttlle too late so many times...touchdown....
Click to expand...
Gideon started all 52 games as safety during his college career. His 52 consecutive starts rank second all-time at Texas. He was named to the 2011 Jim Thorpe Award watch list and was a four-time honorable mention All-Big 12 selection. Gideon posted 276 tackles (166 solo), 10 INTs, 20 PBU, two sacks, eight TFL, two forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and a blocked punt during his college career. He was said to have been a "coach on the field."

Honorable mention means you're around the 3rd best at your position--in what was then a 12 member conference. In other words, you're top quarter in what was one of the top 3 conferences in the game at that time. Winning that all conference award 4 years means you don't suck.

Judas Priest people--not every secondary player is going to be Quentin Jammer, Nathan Vasher, or Jerry Gray. They can still be good (though not necessarily great) players.

Blake Gideon - Football - University of Texas Athletics
 
so he got votes....my point is that if you're counting on your walk-ons and 2 stars to lead your team, you have a talent deficiency. It's fine if you want to sunshine pump the "best players" on your 5-7 team. Probably find lots of heart. But if you want to win, those players better be on the bench or surrounded by Jammer/Gray/Vasher/Thomas.
 
:arrow-up::arrow-up::arrow-up::arrow-up::arrow-up::arrow-up::arrow-up:
Gideon seems to have worked well with BJ Foster who has gotten better in coverage through this early season. Other than the Arkansas clusterf@#%, we've had a lot fewer blown coverages than Texas teams in recent years. Blown coverages used to be the calling cards of a Texas defense in the recent past. (they will happen from time-to-time, but thankfully they're getting rarer)
 
Here's what I know about Coach K's defense.

66th in points per game given up
71st in yards per game given up

All this while pitching a shutout against Rice. Our defense is not very good as we all know. Hopefully our D doesn't kill us this week.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

NEW: Pro Sports Forums

Cowboys, Texans, Rangers, Astros, Mavs, Rockets, etc. Pro Longhorns. This is the place.

Pro Sports Forums

Recent Threads

Back
Top