There were plenty of anti-Semitic signs at the Occupy Wall Street rally. The Super Bowl halftime show by Beyonce was definitely racist. Both sides of the aisle have racist members. To put it all on one party is disingenuous.
Justice Scalia Found Dead
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There were plenty of anti-Semitic signs at the Occupy Wall Street rally. The Super Bowl halftime show by Beyonce was definitely racist. Both sides of the aisle have racist members. To put it all on one party is disingenuous.
The foundations of our democracy have already been more-than-shaken by a group of right-winged extremists who have found a way to break all 3 branches of our government....at this moment, we do not have a democracy due to their actions.
That's left-wing nonsense. The Right hasn't shown sound judgment in much of what they've done, especially in the last several years. However, procedurally, they've followed the rules and used the powers that were legitimately given to them.
Don't take that to mean I concur with everything they've done on the merits. They've often acted like damn fools and say very stupid things to appeal to certain groups, but they are following the rules, albeit with poor judgment.
I'm guessing anybody who disagrees with him.
Hey NJ!
sorry to be tardy getting back!
So, I'm one for two. Kagan's not having been a judge ... then appointed SCOTUS ... that's ridiculous. So, you have a nice little list of SCOTUS judges ... it doesn't make her qualified. There were none with judicial experience ... or just none who BHO didn't want to nominate?
Besides ... that's a tertiary point to BHO's decision to nominate to which I will plead guilty in chunking a smoldering bomb (not quite a fire bomb).
Lessee ... I saw an airplane once, make me a major airline captain. SMH.
NJlonghorn
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It's not ridiculous at all. The role of SCOTUS justice is kind of a cross between judge and law professor. High-level experience as one or the other makes for a well-qualified justice. The fact that Kagan was never a lower-court judge does not bother me one bit, nor does it bother most people who are knowledgeable about the Court and how it operates.
My recollection of the Kagan confirmation hearings is pretty fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure the lack of judicial experience was not an issue. Even for the partisan hacks, the concern was her liberal views, not her qualifications.
I'm no Kagan fan, but the lack of judicial experience isn't the problem. I think it's better if they have some, but the lack of it shouldn't be a disqualifier.
Besides, as Texans we shouldn't be too critical. We elect judges, so we end up with truly unqualified hacks all the time. For example, not only did Don Willett (currently on the Texas Supreme Court) have no judicial experience before getting on the court, he virtually didn't have legal experience. My dad had more courtroom experience (has tried three JP court cases) than he did, and my dad's not even a lawyer.
We used to have a judge on the Austin Court of Appeals named Ken Law. His big qualification? His last name was "law."
Besides, as Texans we shouldn't be too critical. We elect judges, so we end up with truly unqualified hacks all the time. For example, not only did Don Willett (currently on the Texas Supreme Court) have no judicial experience before getting on the court, he virtually didn't have legal experience. My dad had more courtroom experience (has tried three JP court cases) than he did, and my dad's not even a lawyer.
We used to have a judge on the Austin Court of Appeals named Ken Law. His big qualification? His last name was "law."
Joe Fan
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Obama is the only sitting president (in the complete history of humanity) to ever skip the funeral of a SCOTUS justice who died while still in office. We all know he loves forcing his name into the history books -- here he made it for lack of tact, lack of deference, lack of respect for a fallen American hero.
People like you will defend him no matter what he does (or skips). At least admit that you are a partisian hack.
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Well, they've, purposefully, refused to let our President govern...although he was elected and re-elected.....they refuse to let the Congress work....and now they're refusing to let the Supreme Court function....3 branches...all 3 broken by the right-wing extremists.
The branch you're speaking of is not "checking," it's tearing apart and breaking our democracy. When one branch of government figures out a way to completely hijack our government, that's not "check and balance." It's, actually, treasonous. Our country is being...and has been held hostage by these right-wing extremists for 7 years...and counting.
When our government is not allowed to function, we have no democracy.
Well, before our departed justice was even declared deceased, McConnell said the Senate would not take a vote NOR hold hearings on any replacement.
I'm sure our President will submit someone for McConnell to refuse to hold hearings on.
This is an exceedingly important decision for our President to make, and he has had the courtesy to, at least, let a funeral take place before he submits a name for consideration ....something the extremists didn't even have the courtesy to do for our justice of the Supreme Court. This is just one more example of the right-wing hijacking the process.
NJlonghorn
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Okay, I’ll bite. I don’t know why, but I will.
According to this chart on Wikipedia, six sitting justices have died in the last 70 years. There are photographs of President Eisenhower at the funeral of Chief Justices Fred Vinson, and a video showing President Bush at Chief Justice Rehnquist's funeral. So, at least for the last 70 years, the president has attended the funeral of every chief justice who died in office.
But what about associate justices? During the same period, four sitting associate justices have died: Frank Murphy in 1949, Wiley Rutledge also in 1949, Robert Jackson in 1954, and Antonin Scalia in 2016. It does not appear that the president attended any of those funerals:
- Here is a news article on Justice Murphy’s funeral. It sounds like President Truman did not attend, but the article doesn't explicitly say so. To be fair, the funeral was in Michigan.
- Justice Rutledge’s funeral was in Washington, DC on September 14, 1949. The official White House schedule for that date does not list the funeral, even though President Truman was in town.
- Here is a news article on Justice Jackson’s funeral in Washington, DC. President Eisenhower was not there, but he did send a very nice wreath.
- I hope you will forgive me for not providing a link showing that President Obama missed Justice Scalia's funeral.
Seattle Husker
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Didn't you (or your compatriots) say he shouldn't nominate someone? Now it's not happening fast enough? Yet if he did there would have been scorn that Scalia wasn't even in the grave before the nomination. The 'D' hate is strong with this one.
chango
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Joe Fan, I am an Obama supporter. You are right- I would have defended his choice either way, so if that makes me a political hack I accept it.
The difference between me and many on this board is, if a Republican wins this November, I will pray for his success and well being. I won't make an 8 year decision to be against him no matter what.
"People like me" supported President Bush after 9/11, even after reports came out that there was evidence of the attack all that summer that was ignored. We said nothing when he and Vice President Cheney refused to testify to the 9/11 Commission unless they could testify together and no notes could be taken.
How would people like you have reacted if Barack Obama had been president then?
The difference between me and many on this board is, if a Republican wins this November, I will pray for his success and well being. I won't make an 8 year decision to be against him no matter what.
"People like me" supported President Bush after 9/11, even after reports came out that there was evidence of the attack all that summer that was ignored. We said nothing when he and Vice President Cheney refused to testify to the 9/11 Commission unless they could testify together and no notes could be taken.
How would people like you have reacted if Barack Obama had been president then?
Actually, if what McConnell and the rest of the people who want our 3 branches of government to never function do as they CAN DO, whoever is put up to fill the seat on the Supreme Court will NOT EVEN get a hearing....right-wingers have broken our democracy.
The Affordable Care Act was passed 7 years ago.....and McConnell said, from that point forward, he would make sure Obama never succeeded again. As I recall, 1 Republican voted for "Obamacare." But, the Republicans took control of the House the next year...and the breaking down of our democracy began.
Hijacking our government and keeping ALL three branches from function is treasonous.
Think how much good time and good efforts have been totally wasted away with 7 years of obstructionism? Why would anyone want to punish the people of America over hatred towards our first black President?.....it's treasonous.
What you just stated is NOT FACTUALLY CORRECT. Of the last SEVEN (7) justices to have died, only THREE (3) Presidents attended the funerals. Perhaps you should check your facts before you make such statements.
At least be honest and correct with such a post. The President, along with the First Lady, gave a eulogy for Scalia on Friday at the Supreme Court.
You do know the Constitution doesn't require Congress to pass any component of the President's agenda, right? They don't have to pass his budget. They don't have to confirm a single judge or even hold a single hearing. They don't have to confirm a single cabinet official. That's not treasonous. It may be poor judgment and at times poor politics, but to call it treasonous is moronic.
In addition, the public has had two opportunities to elect a Congress that would be more deferential to Obama, and it has declined to do so. In fact, in 2014, it resoundingly endorsed what Congress is doing and not doing. By their votes, the public clearly wants both branches of government to check the other, and that's what's happening. The system is working exactly as designed.
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NJlonghorn
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Geesh, I think I'm supporting your claim on this issue, so why the vitriol?
@Joe Fan limited his assertion to funerals of justices who died while sitting, so I fact-checked his precise claim. Within those constraints, I'm pretty sure my analysis is accurate.
I agree that the analysis would be different (and more relevant) if it included non-funeral memorial services and justices who retired before dying.
NJlonghorn
2,500+ Posts
This. Very poor judgment indeed, and time will tell whether it is bad politics. But it is definitely not treasonous.
zork
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no need to call the poster a moron, or his thoughts even if you strongly disagree with him.(or gullible for that matter)
Let's see who the PotUS puts up for consideration. Then we can go dog **** crazy arguing. McConnell could be posturing for all we know. https://www.google.com/#q=political+posturing+definition
Let's see who the PotUS puts up for consideration. Then we can go dog **** crazy arguing. McConnell could be posturing for all we know. https://www.google.com/#q=political+posturing+definition
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