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Johnny, I think Obama paid whatever fee you have to pay in Hawaii to get a COB (not a BC!) with your name on it. I don't have any evidence that he was born someplace other than Hawaii (comments of his wife and grandmother notwithstanding). I just think he's hiding someithing and all his blather about transparency is a big pile of dung. I'm more interested in his college transcripts. Seems like a valid thing to provide to your employer. So he got one over on the country, whatever. I'm just amazed that people in this country don't demand better from the news media. They don't question this guy on anything. So, I guess I was intrigued that the State of Arizona might do some of the news media's job for them. Guess not.
 
Johnny, I'm not after your approval. I question the document because it was produced within the last 10 years. My opinion matters not at all here, but I would think the Hawaii SOS would require a bit more, unless it was a political decision. Like I said, I'm more interested in college transcripts anyway. What I would like to see the MSM question this guy on are his claims of being transparent, which could not be further from reality. Hey, if he has security reasons why he needs to be secretive, fine. Just don't do that and tell us you are transparent. That's BS.
 
I think all the hoopla around this is from 2 angles 1. Obama's father was not a USA citizen 2. Obama stonewalled on this and all his other personal docs for a long time then put a COLB online that they had to admit was a fake , finally the COLB everyone now sees was produced.

There is a big difference between Hi original Birth Certificates and teh Certification of Live Birth.Hawaii issued the COLB froms to anyone who filled it out and said they wre residents of HI, even when the baby was born elsewhere. This fact adds to the Birther flames

I firmly believe Obama WAS born in Hi but I also believe there is something on his original that back in 07-08 was thought could cause him problems.

However the Officials in Hi( and even some on his own team) have either lied or ' mispsoke" so many times they make the Birthers look normal.

Now this comes out. The former head of the Hi Dept of health said on MSNBC Monday that one could no longer get an long form ( Original, vault). As late as a month ago people were still getting their long forms so what happened?

This link is an " online newpaper" that is clearly conservative but the facts in the article are facts. A Gov says she has seen it, a Gov says it no longer exists, a Sec of State says it is in a book. Fukino says no one can get a long form, well except the people who are still getting them.
and this from the link suggests idiots are in charge and didn't read their own site after apparently stopping anyone from getting a long form
"Directly preceding the claim that the “Certification” is the document now issued, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands stated that “original birth certificates are preferred for their greater detail…” How can a person provide the “preferred” document when the department claimed that it no longer issued them? It has been proven that the Hawaii Department of Health did issue long-form Certificates of Live Birth until Dr. Fukino made her statement to MSNBC."
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Who cares if Obama's name on his original is Obama Soetoro ( if that is what it is) he had no choice in being adopted and he is still the same person.

As Chris Matthews said, release the original already.
 
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EXCELLENT question.
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"Care to provide an answer? "

I appreciate your good opinion of me and that I might be able to speak for Obama but sorry only Obama can answer that.

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If you are running a transparent administration I believe the answer would be almost nothing.

I did enjoy watching the healthcare negotiations on CSPAN.
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There's been a discussion regarding the 911 Truthers and JFK Assassination fanatics in the past two days. Everything I said about those industries can be copied and pasted about this Obama birth certificate stuff. This is an absolute disgrace and an abject failure of popular activism.
 
This is easily the goofiest and most stupid **** ever believed by a huge group from a major party.

While I hate to help the conspiracy theory wack jobs any, I do think I may know where they are getting confused. I happen to have my original birth certificate. I also had to order a "replacement" one from Arizona for the bar. The replacement one looks pretty different (although it contains most of the same information) and was issued in Phoenix not from Pima County (Tucson) where I was born and where the original was issued. It is still an official "birth certificate" and can be used to get a passport or run for President or get licensed by the state bar of Texas.

I bet Obama lost his original (I am shcoked that I still have mine). The document that you see is an official record from Hawaii and is a birth certificate for all legal purposes.
 
johhnymFirst of all show me where I questioned the validity of Obama's certification of birth.
You always make up stuff then accuse me of posting it.
So back your bs up. or quit making crap up.

and this
"Where, exactly, did you get this information? What is the "big difference" that you speak of, and what official Hawaiian resource gave you that information? :
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[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
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Can you read?
I have made my views known many times and several times directly to you johnny. READ my post

btw the way I did not look at your bc. is it from the state of HI? You do understand each state has its own regulations and policies don't you> Did the state you were born in allow certifications of birth even to babies not born in the state? Perhaps they do, I don't know

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This is the difference between the Certification of Live Birth that obama finally released and an original Birth certificate which some officials say is on record and Obama could release and some Hawaii officials say does not exist.
 
6721 - I'm sorry, but someone who does not question the validity of the BC would likely not say the following:

"There is a big difference between Hi original Birth Certificates and teh Certification of Live Birth.Hawaii issued the COLB froms to anyone who filled it out and said they wre residents of HI, even when the baby was born elsewhere. "

You have provided current Hawaii code, but have not provided evidence that the same code was in effect at the time of Obama's birth, and the most glaring omission is that there is no evidence that a BC issued to an out-of-state-born baby would state the place of birth as Hawaii. That's a huge hole in the passage you presented.

"I also believe there is something on his original that back in 07-08 was thought could cause him problems"

What evidence do you have to believe this, or is it just a gut feeling? Do you believe in the "if you don't have anything to hide..." train of thought?

You do SAY that you believe he was born in Hawaii, but then carve out a lot of "suspicions". I'll ask again - do you accept Obama's BC (or COLB, since you want to pick that nit) as proof of his Hawaiian birthplace?
 
Johnny I think everyone who has posted on here has said they believe he was born in Hawaii. That said, it seems to be clearly illustrated at this point that you don't need to have been born in Hawaii to get a COB. Prove residency and pay the fee.
 
johnnym
I pointed out and backed it up with Hi gov site what the differences are between a Certification of Live Birth which is what Obama released and Birth Certificates since you and others in this thread appeared confused and think they are one and the same. They are not.
Then you questioned who in the Hawaii Gov provided to me the information that Hi actually gave certification to babies not sactually born in HI. Admit it, you thought I made it up. So I provided the Hi Gov link
I provided proof that the state of Hawaii allowed people to register certifications of birth for babies born outside the state. So then you tried to say that what I linked to is only what can happen now . That I had no proof it was what happened when Obama's birth was registered.
Reread the Hi Gov link and notice the use of the word " Territory alongside the word state. Do you think a policy only current now would include the word Territory? How long has HI been a state and no longer a territory?
sorry that was the policy back when Obama was born.

I find Obama's actions or lack thereof bizarre.He has according to him and to some other officials an Original Birth certificate yet he releases a form that does not contain the information from his original and a form that can be given to someone not born in HI when he knows many people accuse him of not being born there. He releases a form that does not contain the verifcation of information of the hospital and the attending Doctor. It has his father's race as " African".In fact it contains NO verfication of any Official from that time

Read the Hi Gov link again. Where does it say someone other than the family or guardian has to verify the information. It only says verification must be acceptabl to the Director.What is the name of the official that verified that information in 1961? Also remember that this listing , with information provided by the parent would have triggered the newspaper announcements.

There certainly are questions that just providing this certification with it's lack of Hi Official verification from 1961 do not answer.
It is almost like this is deliberate, keeping attention on this certification rather than the original.

I will say it again. I believe he was born in Hi and his bizarre handling of this causes me to wonder what is on the original that he thought could cause him problems.
 
So, if those of you who find the pursuit of this issue worthwhile believe the President was born in Hawaii. what would be the real reason for continuing to post about it.
 
Don't worry, The Donald is going to get to the bottom of all this Hawaiin brith certificate nonsense.

You'll be amazed at what he uncovers.
 
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