I’ve seen enough

Duck Dodgers said:
There's no doubt Texas football has underperformed for a near decade and a half, 2009 being the last good season. Coaching, and to some extent luck, always plays a part.

Brown was clearly worn out and washed up after the 2009 season, and while 9 win seasons were but a dream during the Charlie Strong Experience, it was clear that that was the top end of what he was going to produce.

CS was just a disaster. He-Man was OK, with flashes of the possibility of something better, followed quickly by a loss. So far Sark hasn't shown much on the field, except for the wondrous beat down of OU last year.

The Alabama game last year, as I said before it was played, was the indicator as to if Sark was going to have early, 2nd year success as good coaches often do, or was at best, a slow and gradual improvement like Mack.
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I don't think the Mack era was a "slow and gradual" improvement. It was an overnight one that nearly got us into the CCG in Year One. Not far removed from 66-3. If Derek Dorris doesn't cheap shot Anthony Hicks in Lubbock, we're rematching KSU with a team that was about 9000% better than the one that got beat down by them in September.

Any hire we could have made between 2013 and today (maybe outside of Saban or Swinney or Smart or someone of that tier) would be facing the same scrutiny as Sark. The kind of success that we want isn't really the level we're accustomed to, and that disconnect is an issue at probably 40 college football programs. 10-win seasons aren't supposed to be the norm for any program, but we've been left out of that closed loop of select CFP-ready programs since its birth.

TCU's 2022 season was also a kick in the figurative groin. I honestly do not believe Sonny Dykes will repeat that feat for the rest of his tenure there, but I also think that coaches like Sark can learn a lot from how that team played.
 
Horns11 said:
TCU's 2022 season was also a kick in the figurative groin. I honestly do not believe Sonny Dykes will repeat that feat for the rest of his tenure there, but I also think that coaches like Sark can learn a lot from how that team played.
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As a college football fan I have mad respect for last year's TCU team and coaching staff.
They got destroyed by Uga in the title game but they beat everyone in their path to get there
 
Horns11 said:
I don't think the Mack era was a "slow and gradual" improvement. It was an overnight one that nearly got us into the CCG in Year One. Not far removed from 66-3. If Derek Dorris doesn't cheap shot Anthony Hicks in Lubbock, we're rematching KSU with a team that was about 9000% better than the one that got beat down by them in September.

Any hire we could have made between 2013 and today (maybe outside of Saban or Swinney or Smart or someone of that tier) would be facing the same scrutiny as Sark. The kind of success that we want isn't really the level we're accustomed to, and that disconnect is an issue at probably 40 college football programs. 10-win seasons aren't supposed to be the norm for any program, but we've been left out of that closed loop of select CFP-ready programs since its birth.

TCU's 2022 season was also a kick in the figurative groin. I honestly do not believe Sonny Dykes will repeat that feat for the rest of his tenure there, but I also think that coaches like Sark can learn a lot from how that team played.
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Sonny Dykes accomplished something his first year at Goat Hills that TEXAS has done only 3 times in the last half century. Play in a winner takes all national championship in January. I'm thinking he has a better shot at repeating at some point than sark does here or anywhere else. Jmho
 
Horn2RunAgain said:
Sonny Dykes accomplished something his first year at Goat Hills that TEXAS has done only 3 times in the last half century. Play in a winner takes all national championship in January. I'm thinking he has a better shot at repeating at some point than sark does here or anywhere else. Jmho
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I mean, Gene Chizik did it too. Think he has a repeat in him?

Sonny's Fiesta Bowl win over Michigan was literally his 2nd bowl win ever, after the 2015 Armed Forces Bowl. He was a "meh" coach at La Tech, he was a "meh" coach at Cal, and he was a "meh" coach at SMU. He inherited a band of misfit toys from the portal and Max Duggan suddenly figured it all out for a year. The only way he sustains this at age 53 is if he ends up at a school with the resources of Bama or Texas or Ohio State.
 
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I would submit that he was far more than a "meh coach" at Berzerkley, particularly considering the pile of **** he inherited. The powers that be in Berzerkley told him up front that they didn't care if he ever won a game, just clean up the the mess including academic fraud that Tedford had left. The reason they fired him was because he hated California and interviewed for every job that came available.
 
Berzerkly. I chortle every time, Sabre.

Not sure what was pooped on H2RA's post. It is accurate that Texas The Blue Blood has played for 3 NCs in 50 years. Was it the Dykes comment? What is false about any of his post?
 
horninchicago said:
Berzerkly. I chortle every time, Sabre.

Not sure what was pooped on H2RA's post. It is accurate that Texas The Blue Blood has played for 3 NCs in 50 years. Was it the Dykes comment? What is false about any of his post?
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I didn't poop on it, but I think the idea that Dykes is more likely to get back to the CFP (especially at TCU and not another big-name school) than Sark ever will be is the impetus.

TCU had 7 one-score games last year and went 6-1.
Texas had 7 one-score games last year and went 2-5.

It really is a mental thing at this point, but I think don't Sark is the only barrier between what TCU accomplished and what we did. There were some leadership issues across the board.
 
Horns11 said:
I didn't poop on it, but I think the idea that Dykes is more likely to get back to the CFP (especially at TCU and not another big-name school) than Sark ever will be is the impetus.

TCU had 7 one-score games last year and went 6-1.
Texas had 7 one-score games last year and went 2-5.

It really is a mental thing at this point, but I think don't Sark is the only barrier between what TCU accomplished and what we did. There were some leadership issues across the board.
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Woulda, coulda, shoulda, a famous guy once said.

Y'all go ahead with your Burnt Orange optimism. Mine has gone away. I'll believe it when I see it.
 
And with transfers, NIL, and nfl, purposely lower case, no cohesion will last more than 2 years and the excitement of college football is gone. Yay.
 
Horns11 said:
I don't think the Mack era was a "slow and gradual" improvement. It was an overnight one that nearly got us into the CCG in Year One. Not far removed from 66-3. If Derek Dorris doesn't cheap shot Anthony Hicks in Lubbock, we're rematching KSU with a team that was about 9000% better than the one that got beat down by them in September.

Any hire we could have made between 2013 and today (maybe outside of Saban or Swinney or Smart or someone of that tier) would be facing the same scrutiny as Sark. The kind of success that we want isn't really the level we're accustomed to, and that disconnect is an issue at probably 40 college football programs. 10-win seasons aren't supposed to be the norm for any program, but we've been left out of that closed loop of select CFP-ready programs since its birth.

TCU's 2022 season was also a kick in the figurative groin. I honestly do not believe Sonny Dykes will repeat that feat for the rest of his tenure there, but I also think that coaches like Sark can learn a lot from how that team played.
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Slow and gradual to being at the top of the college football world. Yes Mack's first season was back to a winning season, but the 97 season was the exception, not the rule, of losing seasons. From then on, until 2005, Texas wasn't a contender for anything but a conference title, and never actually won one.

It was only by the 05 season, in the 8th year of Mack, did Texas have the players and program ready for a national title run. It was only in year 7 that his team even went to a Rose/Sugar/Fiesta/Orange bowl, whatever you wish to call it - major, NY Day, etc.

As for TCU and Dykes, hard to tell. Is it a flash in the pan with a good and gritty QB that can more or less will a team to win? Or the start of a program that manages to do that on a constant basis, with a series of 2-3 star players that "big time" schools didn't offer.

Between TCU winning the B12 last year, Baylor the year before, and KSU/OSU being runner's up in those years, it's not a good look for Texas to be sitting at mom's house watching the championship game. Baylor has won what, 3 B12 titles since Texas won one (maybe it was 2, can't remember).
 
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