Israel = the Good Guys in the Middle East; Turks proving to be our enemies

[Chop]

Below is a photo of Sinwar's nephews:
(these people don't just hate Israel, they hate us)

 

[Monahorns]

Facts: Over the years, various two state solutions have been agreed to by Israel, and proposed to the Palestinian Arabs by the International community (the UN, etc.). Such two-state solutions have been repeatedly rejected by the Palestinian Arabs. They have proven time-and-again to not want a 2 state solution, and to not want a lasting peace with Israel.

"Oh, but this time's different" says the naive types...

This is where a broader view of 20th century history is important. Both sides have accepted and rejected offers based on which side was perceived to be in power. When the Palestinians had more power they would get better offers. They accepted. Jews rejected. Now and for a long time Israel has had a more powerful position. They have accepted offers favorable to them and Palestinians have rejected offers viewed as unequal. Both sides have used the same justification for both accepting and rejecting deals.

 

[Monahorns]

You're absolutely right. The Palestinians simply don't want a 2-state solution. They want one state - their own and nothing else.

You are saying Palestinians are in 100% agreement?

I don't think that is the case, but not sure what % would accept 2 states if put up to a real vote.

 

[Monahorns]

Also in your link was the following audio of an actual conversation between an IDF officer attempting to convince a Gazan to evacuate his (large) family before the Israelites strike a nearby bank.



You can really see the inner mindset of Israel and of Gaza.

The Gazan: "Strike us then. Do whatever you want. We want to die. And our children also must die. We don't want the peace that comes from you. We love death the way you love life. We don't want the kindness that comes from you. Do as you please."

So one father's opinion should be used to stand in for every Palestinian? The vast majority are doing everything they can to survive.

 

[Chop]

The ground work is being laid for a civil RICO case against SJP (the so-called "Students for Justice in Palestine").

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[Chop]

This is where a broader view of 20th century history is important. Both sides have accepted and rejected offers based on which side was perceived to be in power. When the Palestinians had more power they would get better offers. They accepted. Jews rejected. Now and for a long time Israel has had a more powerful position. They have accepted offers favorable to them and Palestinians have rejected offers viewed as unequal. Both sides have used the same justification for both accepting and rejecting deals.

This is where knowledge of the facts is important.

Palestinian Arabs have rejected a two-state solution over-and-over again.

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5 times in the past Palestine rejected offer to have its own state. | AFRICA CHINA ECONOMY

"If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right? That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors.

But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their own, and not just once, but on five separate occasions?
Don’t believe me? Let’s review the record..."

Palestinians have repeatedly rejected a two-state solution

 

[Chop]

Palestinian Arabs, by and large, do not want a two state solution. They want the elimination of the Jewish state. They are not reasonable people.

So how do you negotiate and deal with folks who deny your very existence?

Israel = friend of the US
Gaza/Hamas/Iran/Hezbollah = enemies of the US

 

[Mr. Deez]

You are saying Palestinians are in 100% agreement?

I don't think that is the case, but not sure what % would accept 2 states if put up to a real vote.

Dude, that's a dumbass question. It's like asking if 100 percent of drag queens are child molesters as a justification not to judge the ones who want to jiggle their nuts around kids.

Of course 100 percent of any substantial group doesn't believe anything. They don't have to. They've shown their broad views in polling and of course in their election results and actions.

 

[Chop]

Buncha Morans

 

[Monahorns]

This is where knowledge of the facts is important.

Palestinian Arabs have rejected a two-state solution over-and-over again.

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5 times in the past Palestine rejected offer to have its own state. | AFRICA CHINA ECONOMY

"If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right? That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors.

But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their own, and not just once, but on five separate occasions?
Don’t believe me? Let’s review the record..."

Palestinians have repeatedly rejected a two-state solution

That isn't the point. The point is that each side has rejected offers when the offer was perceived to be unfavorable to them. Israel did it early on, and Palestine has done it multiple times now. Not all offers are good offers. You links don't address the actual issue.

 

[Monahorns]

Palestinian Arabs, by and large, do not want a two state solution. They want the elimination of the Jewish state. They are not reasonable people.

So how do you negotiate and deal with folks who deny your very existence?

Israel = friend of the US
Gaza/Hamas/Iran/Hezbollah = enemies of the US

Where do you get your "by and large" statement from? You throw these things out generalizing people. Where is the evidence that the majority of Palestinians deny the existence of Israel? I find that highly unlikely.

 

[Monahorns]

Dude, that's a dumbass question. It's like asking if 100 percent of drag queens are child molesters as a justification not to judge the ones who want to jiggle their nuts around kids.

Of course 100 percent of any substantial group doesn't believe anything. They don't have to. They've shown their broad views in polling and of course in their election results and actions.

Thanks for gracious response and for completely ignoring the point.

The Palestinians simply don't want a 2-state solution. They want one state - their own and nothing else.

What poll are you referring to that shows not 100% of Palestinians reject a 2 state solution, but some other large % do?

 

[Mr. Deez]

Thanks for gracious response and for completely ignoring the point.

I didn't ignore any point. You pullled the 100 percent crap as a strawman.

What poll are you referring to that shows not 100% of Palestinians reject a 2 state solution, but some other large % do?

Very easy for you to google this. It's well-documented. Gallup did a poll in '23 that found support for a 2-state solution at 24 percent and opposition at 72 percent. Reuters did a poll back in December that showed Palestinian support for the 10/7 attacks at 72 percent as well. I know you do everything you can to make them look like "good people," but this is about as close to Lot advocating for Sodom and Gomorrah as it gets in the modern world.

And of course the predictable "so it's OK to kill 'em all, right?" is coming I'm sure. lol

 

[Monahorns]

I didn't ignore any point. You pullled the 100 percent crap as a strawman.

That wasn't my purpose. My purpose was that I didn't think they all agreed. My mistake that I though there would be more that would accept 2 states. But there is a strong majority of Palestinians who do not accept that. Point taken.

 

[mchammer]

 

[Chop]

On the international political and military level, wrt the US and Israel, I mostly see it as a big brother / little brother sort of relationship. And I don't mean that in an arrogant way at all. Never forget, they are the primary ancient source of our civilization, law, and religion(s); Israel and the Romans. Right now, we're on top. I feel like we have an unwritten duty to protect them--they were almost annihilated by a bunch of psychotic nihilists less than 100 years ago. Nobody pushes our little brother around.

 

[Monahorns]

Is that a parody account? Because it's so off.

1 is unfortunately true. Hamas is a group of terrible people. It is why Israel must do a better job of defense and counter-insurgency warfare not 2nd generation style warfare that they are following.
2 Israel isn't "going into Rafah". They will bomb Rafah just like they did the North.
3 The targeted munitions were used to target broadly. So there will be no change to the outcome
4 and 5 are fear mongering. What will cause 4 and 5 are continued mass destruction of Gaza.

It should be clear at this point that Ben doesn't care about America unless it is used for the furtherance of this foreign state.

 

[Monahorns]

On the international political and military level, wrt the US and Israel, I mostly see it as a big brother / little brother sort of relationship. And I don't mean that in an arrogant way at all. Never forget, they are the primary ancient source of our civilization, law, and religion(s); Israel and the Romans. Right now, we're on top. I feel like we have an unwritten duty to protect them--they were almost annihilated by a bunch of psychotic nihilists less than 100 years ago. Nobody pushes our little brother around.

Who is pushing Israel around? I don't see any credible threat to Israel in any way shape or form.

 

[mchammer]

 

[mchammer]

On the international political and military level, wrt the US and Israel, I mostly see it as a big brother / little brother sort of relationship. And I don't mean that in an arrogant way at all. Never forget, they are the primary ancient source of our civilization, law, and religion(s); Israel and the Romans. Right now, we're on top. I feel like we have an unwritten duty to protect them--they were almost annihilated by a bunch of psychotic nihilists less than 100 years ago. Nobody pushes our little brother around.

I think the British thought the same for Greece.

 

[Horn6721]

Mona
"Who is pushing Israel around? I don't see any credible threat to Israel in any way shape or form."

What exactly do you call this?? A mostly peaceful fly over??
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/midd...s-drones-that-hit-israel-mime-intl/index.html

 

[Monahorns]

Mona
"Who is pushing Israel around? I don't see any credible threat to Israel in any way shape or form."

What exactly do you call this?? A mostly peaceful fly over??
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/midd...s-drones-that-hit-israel-mime-intl/index.html

That doesn't push Israel around in any way. Israel destroyed the Iranian embassy in Syria. As a response Iran consulted with several countries including the US and received a green light for a limited response. Then and only then did Iran respond. It was a measured response to what Israel had done to them.

 

[Monahorns]

The report shows how bad Shapiro's logic in points 2-4 are.

Killing civilians is why Biden is criticizing Israel. He is withholding weapons that will facilitate that which he criticized.

 

[Mr. Deez]

That wasn't my purpose. My purpose was that I didn't think they all agreed. My mistake that I though there would be more that would accept 2 states. But there is a strong majority of Palestinians who do not accept that. Point taken.

Then why presume without looking? It's just remarkable whom you're willing to give the benefit of the doubt and not.

 

[Monahorns]

Then why presume without looking? It's just remarkable whom you're willing to give the benefit of the doubt and not.

I am a remarkable person.

 

[mchammer]

I am a remarkable person.

Is this you?

 

[Chop]

Of course Greta is anti-Israel. She’s the type.

 

[Chop]

Then why presume without looking? It's just remarkable whom you're willing to give the benefit of the doubt and not.

Yep. Reminds me of Cenk on the young Turks—always looking for something wrong in Israel and something good about her enemies. Stretching like stretch Armstrong to make some sort of anti-Zionist argument at every opportunity.

There’s deep seated hatred and it’s obvious.

 

[theiioftx]

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[Mr. Deez]

I am a remarkable person.

You absolutely are. I don't deny that for one second. On domestic policy, you're borderline John Birch, and on foreign policy, you're a disciple of Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn. It's the reverse of Roger35. That guy was a left-wing kook on domestic policy, but for whatever reason, he he was a bigger Zionist and tougher on Muslims than anybody here. I remember him once saying that he donated money to John Hagee. As much as he despised his politics, he adored his work on for Israel. Go figure.