Is Prairie View really that rural?

texas_ex2000

texas_ex2000

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I guess it is if you're a writer for the New York Times.

According to Google Maps, there's a DPS Drivers License Office 8 minutes away in Hempstead called "Waller County DPS." They're open 8-5 Monday through Friday.

The premise that a college man/lady can't figure this out or that an 8 minute trip to get a free voter certificate is such a logistical/financial challenge for a college student is a little unbelievable/disconcerting
 
The article says she does not have a car.
But it was also pointed out in the article
'Texas has increased the availability of its election identification services, using mobile offices and giving every county a temporary location where a voter can obtain an ID card"

It doesn't say where her actual home was. If it was not Waller county she could have gone to the DPS in her home town on breaks OR if she lived in Waller rear round she could have gone to the temporary mobile office.
It appears she doesn't want to vote badly enough to get to a mobile office or a the DPS office less than 10 miles away or perhaps even the DPS office in her home town if it isn't a different town.
 
maybe the folks who drove her to Corpus can drop her off at the DPS office in Waller County on the way home? Or maybe she lives this side of that office and it would be out of the way for them.

How did she get to school?
 
The argument that we shouldn't place undue burdens on anyone to exercise their right to vote is legitimate.

This law wasn't meant to do that. It's meant to prevent voter fraud. If we're going to have this law, then we need to do everything possible to make it as inexpensive as possible (e.g. voter registration stations in every county as stated in the article). The question isn't constitutionality of voter ID per se, it's execution.

But come on folks...people have to be a little flexible. Otherwise, the entire obit section in the Houston Chronicle would be voting.
 
Maybe the state should give every citizen a $20 (or you pick the amount) tax rebate for voter id registration costs.
 
To be clear, voter fraud is a rather rare occurance and minor in nature based on every study conducted over the last 20 years. The voter ID laws are designed to keep out the less passionate (usually more neutral) voter. Unfortunately, all it takes is a minor burden or inconvenience to keep these voters at home. If we continue down this path only the passionate extremes will be deciding elections. That's what both parties want though. It makes elections more predictable.
 
She really should have thought this through before agreeing to be the college student who can't figure out how to travel 8 minutes to get an ID. While I'm sure she feels cool for getting all this attention, she will be ridiculed for years.

Secondly, why is it only liberals who can't figure out how to get an ID?
 
The voter ID law does stop illegal voting especially in South Texas. The voter id stops people that have illegally registered to vote and have a voter card from voting.
I believe some counties (Bexar) will register people that simply show a utility bill.
 
Most of the arguments against voter ID are very silly. If there's a charge to getting the ID, I can respect the poll tax argument, but the state doesn't charge for it. So the Left has to resort to making attenuated arguments about indirect costs and logistical difficulties that, if taken to their logical extremes (and not always particularly extreme), could invalidate pretty much every rule and regulation pertaining to voting.

Hell, I vote absentee from Germany. I have to print out a ballot (costs me money to buy a printer, paper, and ink) and fill it out (costs me money to buy a pen or pencil), and place it in an envelope (costs me money for the envelope). I have to drive to a military post office (uses gas, which is extremely expensive) to mail it or place it in the German postal system (steep international postal charges). In addition to the costs, it's a pain in the ***.

The point is that until we've got election judges showing up at each voter's home, walking up to him on the couch, putting the ballot in his hand, and giving him a foot-rub while he votes, there are going to be costs and logistical issues to voting. Is there a point at which that becomes unreasonable? Sure, but we're a hell of a long way from reaching that point.
 
So how does this person pay for her tuition? Does this person work?
Does this person pay for everything in cash, is so how do they get the cash?
 
Now they are trotting out a new victim. In the latest AP story in DMN they cite a retired factory worker who moved her from Ill in 2011. Her sob story is she doesn't have the $42.00 to get her Mississippi birth certificate EXCEPT according to the Miss .gov website it costs $15.00. well plus the postage.
One wonders how she got her diver's license in Ill? It didn't say how old she was but a birth certificate or equivalent has been needed to get a driver's license for a long time .
And she had to have had some form of verifiable ID to start collecting SS.

But if she really doesn't want to have a copy of her birth certificate she can still get a free voter ID in Texas. Oh the Horror! it will require her to provide other forms of id including an affidavit from someone who has known her for 2 years. This is the same form someone can use to get a passport without photo id.
Texas (and other states requiring photo ID to vote) have tied to cover all bases including seniors who were born at home and have no BC.
In the cases trotted out so far the problem seems to be the ' victims" didn't want to go to any trouble including getting to the mobile voter Id van in her town. The " victim" who doesn't want to pay $15.00 for a BC also doesn't seem to want to use other methods.

yes voting is a right , a right for verifiable CITIZENS.
 
Some people just shouldn't be allowed to vote after looking at the excuses. It's so easy that even a democrat can get an ID.
 
Org
How would they know? They either allow you to vote or they don't.
They don't keep track of people who show up with improper ID and are not allowed vote or who vote a provisional ballot
They do know if your name has already voted and that does happen, but again the people at the polling places don't log it.

We know it happens when you have more people voting in a precinct or county etc than there are people living in the precinct or county.
in another state there is an ongoing investigation into voter fraud by the GOP.

Do you object to having a valid ID?
 
Good Lord Mich
No I did not mean to say it was the GOP investigating.
Intelligent people know an investigation isn't conducted by a particular party. I am sorry you didn't know that.

You work really hard at nothing. I meant what I said. I could have also mentioned the many investigations of voter fraud by dems.
 
I believe Org is pointing out that there is no discernable evidence of massive voter fraud. In fact, all studies completed in the last 20 years suggest that any examples of voter fraud are isolated and minor like the Wisconsin example above.

Of course, that hasn't stopped the GOP who started with a supposition that there was massive voter fraud from committing millions of state $$ to fix an unverifiable problem.

The Democrats have their boondoggle pet topics that don't have any ROI (Federal funds for ACORN?) but this turd belongs on the Republican side of the docket. It's 100% politically motivated with the sole goal of trying to have greater control over the voting population.
 
That is not true. I have read of voter fraud reports that implicate 100s and 1000s of votes. I think one of them was in New York state. The other thing is that without voter ID laws, many forms of voter fraud are undetectable. It is hard to find voter fraud when you are not looking.
 
I'd be open to reading any links you can provide, Monahorns. The typical cycle of voter fraud stories are "we've found voter fraud...it's big" which gets a lot of play in the blogosphere only to be debunked when the claim is thoroughly investigated.

Here is how I see the 2 parties actively working the voting roles. The Democrats put their money in massive voter sign-up efforts generally focused in areas friendly to them in hopes that these new voters will actually show up and vote. The Republicans actively try to cull the voter rolls putting barriers in place to voting and challenging the voters that aren't friendly to them.

As an example, Washington state is 100% absentee ballot. 1 week before the most recent election my wife received a notice that her signature was being challenged thus unless she verified her information within 2 days her ballot would not count. It just so happens I have a fraternity brother who I know is currently active in the Republican party and spends an ample amount of time at our county election offices reviewing and challenging the votes. He's as Republican as they come, was even rewarded as a State delegate to the national conference. They have demographic information through separate sources on every voter. Who do you think they are targeting their reviews and challenges of?

This voter ID is just one step by the Republicans to make it more difficult to vote banking on their extremist are more diligent than the lefts extremists.

Sadly, both sides are vastly misguided as they continue to corrupt our election processes.

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It is only true if the media reports it right, Dan Rather?

Go to any Barrio voting spot in Houston, Austin, Dallas, or SA and watch them pull out their wallets with multiple ID's looking for their right registration card! They didn't know they didn't have to present ID. I witnessed that first hand with two different people in 2008.

Not reported in the news so it does not happen, 1 vote of fraud is reason enough to put guidelines and rules into place.

We won't even go into the lists of dead people still voting in King County!!! How do they vote and sign in alpabetically?(sp)
 
The WaPo article lists a larger number of ways voter fraud happens that I ever thought of .
The voter ID will stop only a small number but it will stop some.
It is good to see many people and even media address the issue of voter fraud. as the links show it happens with both parties.
 
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