Ingram

[ViperHorn]

I don't know about y'all but I kind of would like to have saved that Cosmi play for Oklahoma

Not to worry - there are several variations off of that set.

 

[Pomspoms]

I'm guessing that was installed so OU has to think about it. Something else to have to prepare for. Imagine what happens when as a defense you now have to anticipate a lineman also being a receiver. I dont think I've ever seen anything like this before, but I promise if a linebacker now has to "cover" or keep an eye on Cosmi on a few plays that could distract him enough to open up a lot of things across the middle.

Personally that distraction is a minor one. Oklahoma will not have to spend a lot of time preparing for that play.

 

[Pomspoms]

Duvernay would be a great RB but he’s to valuable at slot receiver to move him. J Whit comes back next week I believe. I feel for Keontay. I believe he is over thinking on his runs. RJ will go north south and get what the defense gives him while Keontay tries to juke his way to a crease for a big gain. He needs to turn off his mind and just react. I saw a few runs where he hesitated and let the hole close up for no gain. Frustrating. He’s going to lose his starting job if he doesn’t change that real quick. I bet he’ll get 3-5 carries in the first half of OU to see if he implements his training before they move on to another back.

Duvernay is a Jamal Charles with better hands. On his touchdown run when he got thru the line he did a skip jump around someone then from 5 yards out he bolted up the middle which made me go "wow" who is that, then I saw that it was Duvernay. For me he would be the first receiver I would pick in the draft. He's just that talented. Someone said he would be a perfect fit for the Patriots and I agree with that. But I think he will be long gone before they get that choice.

 

[dukesteer]

Duvernay would be a great RB but he’s to valuable at slot receiver to move him.

Completely agree.

I feel for Keontay.

This won’t sound very nice but I’m getting a bit tired of the constant excuses for Ingram.

“He expects too much of himself.”

“He’s too hardness on himself.”

“He’s a late bloomer.”

IMO, unless he has been constantly injured — and perhaps that IS the issue, we may just have to accept the fact that Ingram may never be the back, the threat, that we all had hoped he would be. While that’s a disappointment, because our RB options are limited this year, we may just have to accept that our running game does not strike fear into our opponents. Bummer. Just imagine how potent our offense would be if we did have a strong threat at the position?

And absolutely, RJ is indeed developing into a very good runner. In fact, I’d say that RJ is the player that is blooming right before our eyes.

 

[Pomspoms]

Completely agree.
This won’t sound very nice but I’m getting a bit tired of the constant excuses for Ingram.

“He expects too much of himself.”

“He’s too hardness on himself.”

“He’s a late bloomer.”

IMO, unless he has been constantly injured — and perhaps that IS the issue, we may just have to accept the fact that Ingram may never be the back, the threat, that we all had hoped he would be. While that’s a disappointment, because our RB options are limited this year, we may just have to accept that our running game does not strike fear into our opponents. Bummer. Just imagine how potent our offense would be if we did have a strong threat at the position?

And absolutely, RJ is indeed developing into a very good runner. In fact, I’d say that RJ is the player that is blooming right before our eyes.

Rojo is is no home run hitter he is good for about 2-15 yards and keontay is much the same way maybe bijan will be a home run hitter we'll see.
But not to belabor the point, Duvernay as a rb he would be, without a doubt a home run hitter. He is fast and strong, good vision and wiggle plus determined. I'd like to see him get 15 to 17 carries in a game just to see what he would accomplish. But that's not going to happen.
I wish he would have gotten 10 receptions. One time he was interfered with. Another time he was stripped of the ball as he was catching it-good play on their part. Etc

 

[militaryhorn]

Rojo is is no home run hitter he is good for about 2-15 yards and keontay is much the same way maybe bijan will be a home run hitter we'll see.
But not to belabor the point, Duvernay as a rb he would be, without a doubt a home run hitter. He is fast and strong, good vision and wiggle plus determined. I'd like to see him get 15 to 17 carries in a game just to see what he would accomplish. But that's not going to happen.
I wish he would have gotten 10 receptions. One time he was interfered with. Another time he was stripped of the ball as he was catching it-good play on their part. Etc

The difference between KI and RJ is RJ has just started to play the position since middle school, I think, and KI has been playing it for the last 6 years at least. RJ has shown he can play the position and is better at it than a six year veteran.

 

[wadster]

Duverney gets plenty of runs at tail back. It's called that sideways pass to get him the ball in space. Same as a run, just where he starts with the ball.

 

[Pomspoms]

The difference between KI and RJ is RJ has just started to play the position since middle school, I think, and KI has been playing it for the last 6 years at least. RJ has shown he can play the position and is better at it than a six year veteran.

What you said kind of does not make any sense if RJ started at middle school then his experience would be about 4-5 years. it's hardly diff3rence for 5 years running the ball and 6 years. Now if you saying that RJ has been a qb and this his first year rb i would counter that saying he's running qb and is accustomed to running like a rb. Rojo still needs practice at making people miss tackles. Sam is better at that than Rojo who i certainly hope gets better.

 

[militaryhorn]

What you said kind of does not make any sense if RJ started at middle school then his experience would be about 4-5 years. it's hardly diff3rence for 5 years running the ball and 6 years. Now if you saying that RJ has been a qb and this his first year rb i would counter that saying he's running qb and is accustomed to running like a rb. Rojo still needs practice at making people miss tackles. Sam is better at that than Rojo who i certainly hope gets better.

You are assuming that he played that position prior to middle school. I didn't say that he was all world out there but the eye test tells me he has better vision and runs better with the ball than KI.

 

[wadster]

What you said kind of does not make any sense if RJ started at middle school then his experience would be about 4-5 years. it's hardly diff3rence for 5 years running the ball and 6 years. Now if you saying that RJ has been a qb and this his first year rb i would counter that saying he's running qb and is accustomed to running like a rb. Rojo still needs practice at making people miss tackles. Sam is better at that than Rojo who i certainly hope gets better.

There is a big difference in running as a QB and running as a RB. As a RB you have to keep your pad level much lower. As a QB you run more straight up. To play RB for the 1st time since middle school and go for 121 is amazing. RJ has been simply amazing. Without him I hate to think where we'd be.

 

[MajesticII]

Our RBs are handicapped ..... They are coached to be, " SLOW to the hole and fast through the hole." How the hell are you supposed to be fast through a hole if you don't get GOING..... All my years of football I learned and taught ," HIT THE HOLE QUICK AND HARD, and look for cutback lanes etc as you go." All SLOW to the hole does is give the defense time to close up the hole and for LBs to fill their gaps. Its crazy.....and thats why we have a weak running game....On top of that we always run up the 2/3 hole, maybe the 4/5 once in a while..with a change in blocking here and there....No sweeps quick pitches etc.....VANILLA

 

[SabreHorn]

Maj,

That's the difference in Ingram. Watch his HS tapes and the playoff games. He is closer to the line, hits the hole quick, then the crease and is gone. We create no crease to hit.

 

[dukesteer]

Our RBs are handicapped ..... They are coached to be, " SLOW to the hole and fast through the hole." How the hell are you supposed to be fast through a hole if you don't get GOING..... All my years of football I learned and taught ," HIT THE HOLE QUICK AND HARD, and look for cutback lanes etc as you go." All SLOW to the hole does is give the defense time to close up the hole and for LBs to fill their gaps. Its crazy.....and thats why we have a weak running game....On top of that we always run up the 2/3 hole, maybe the 4/5 once in a while..with a change in blocking here and there....No sweeps quick pitches etc.....VANILLA

I really believe this has much less to do with coaching, and more to do with talent. Great running backs find the holes, get to and through the holes, have balance and break tackles. Could Ingram be better coached? Perhaps. I’ll leave that to the experts. But if the # 2 RB who hasn’t played the position since middle school is already more of a threat than the # 1, that tells me all I need to know.

What I also know is that if we can’t run the ball Saturday it’ll be a problem.

 

[Austin_Bill]

I don't know about y'all but I kind of would like to have saved that Cosmi play for Oklahoma

Nope, using it when we did, is much more effective going into RRSO. So far this season we have had about 5 or 6 trick plays we have used. blowu is going to have to use valuable practice time preparing for each of them. The more they have to prepare for, they less they will be ready for what we normally do.

 

[Austin_Bill]

People don't understand that if RJ was the starter he would be much less productive than he is coming off the bench. Teams are preparing for Ingram and that takes away from his effectiveness.

Make Roshon the starter and he might be more effective for a game or two but he will lose his effectiveness quickly and we will be back to the same conversation.

This game was about our offensive line not handling business like they should have. We did okay on pass protection but they ran a lot of stunts and run blitzes that we couldn't handle.

You can bet other teams will follow this pattern moving forward, especially blowu. Hope we are ready for it next Saturday.

 

[zuckercanyon]

Well I can't wait for them to prepare for RJ and get Ingram, so this theory can be tested......btw, what's the status on Ingram's injury?

 

[dukesteer]

People don't understand that if RJ was the starter he would be much less productive than he is coming off the bench. Teams are preparing for Ingram and that takes away from his effectiveness.

AB, respectfully, I’m not buying it. In fact, I hope Herman tests your theory Saturday. This has to do with the effectiveness of the player, not how the defense prepares for one RB versus the other.

I actually believe that RJ can be a pretty effective college RB. In fact, he already is. His vision is better than Ingram’s, and unlike KI, he rarely gets stopped for a loss or no gain. The kid seems to find creases and pushes forward for extra yardage on most carries. I wanted the same to be true for Ingram... He was the second best back last year and he appears to be the second best back this year.

 

[Walking Boss]

Ingram is just ok. If the play is blocked for three yards he will get you three yards. If it’s blocked for one yard that’s what you will get. Maybe his running skill set doesn’t fit the scheme. R. Johnson seems to find the crease much faster and more effectively than Ingram. With RJ if it’s blocked for three he seems to get six to eight yards. Kirk Johnson appeared to have a quick explosion on his couple of carries and it seems he should have gotten more but maybe his blocking and blitz pickup kept him off the field.

 

[Statalyzer]

I’ve said this before but from what I can recall going back to the 60s, virtually every great RB at Texas immediately — in the first few carries — showed flashes of brilliance. That was true of Chris Gilbert, Earl, Ricky, Jamal, Cedric and D’Onta.

Foreman only played in garbage time his freshman year and got like a dozen carries. His sophomore year he didn't really show much until he broke out with that 80ish yard run against Oklahoma to setup our final touchdown.

 

[zuckercanyon]

Hey how is Chris Warren III doing in the NFL?

 

[LAGA4]

I know our Online is much better than it was 3 years ago, but Oklahoma exposed them some Saturday.

The running game has not really been dominate in the games we have played this year and not all of it was on the running backs. The criticism of the coaching is warranted to some extent. There seems to be a lot of things to blame our relatively poor running game on, not excluding injuries.

Running game has been my biggest offensive disappointment this year.

 

[dukesteer]

Foreman only played in garbage time his freshman year and got like a dozen carries. His sophomore year he didn't really show much until he broke out with that 80ish yard run against Oklahoma to setup our final touchdown.

While this is true, it wasn’t because of a lack of talent or production on the field. From his first few carries it was apparent that Foreman was special.

I was huge believer in Warren. I’m not sure what happened but part of his issue may have been that he got too big. Bigger and stronger in a running back is not always better.

 

[MajesticII]

I know our Online is much better than it was 3 years ago, but Oklahoma exposed them some Saturday.

The running game has not really been dominate in the games we have played this year and not all of it was on the running backs. The criticism of the coaching is warranted to some extent. There seems to be a lot of things to blame our relatively poor running game on, not excluding injuries.

Running game has been my biggest offensive disappointment this year.

It will continue to disappoint unless we get tOSU talent on the OL, a first round pick at QB and RB, and 1st to 3rd round picks at WRs. For Herman's offense to work against really good defenses he has to have a huge talent advantage...( and NO.... LSU does not have their usual great defense, as you will see when they face Bama. LSU is giving up 35 points a game to teams with a pulse. )

 

[Statalyzer]

Foreman only played in garbage time his freshman year and got like a dozen carries. His sophomore year he didn't really show much until he broke out with that 80ish yard run against Oklahoma to setup our final touchdown.

While this is true, it wasn’t because of a lack of talent or production on the field. From his first few carries it was apparent that Foreman was special.

Maybe you saw it, but most people didn't at that point.