Impeachment

in good lawyer style ... I'd need a proposed definition of a "good candidate" to 'amen' this one.

I do not consider Booker nor Klobuchar "good candidates." And political philosophy prevents anything resembling an endorsement of "good" for Buttigeg ... just another excessive Fed leftist.

It’s not even clear that Pete would be re-elected as mayor of a heavily democrat city.

When I said they were decent, I wasn't endorsing either one. All I meant was that they would be pretty competitive with Trump.
 
I believe some of it is and some of isn't. He's an ******* and I sure as hell wouldn't want to work for him.
Rick Perry in an interview with Michael Berry said he was a great boss. People who have different agendas than the Donald, on the other hand, are going to have problems. You realize vast majority of workers in DC are leeches and that sleaze bag Comey is the norm, and not the exception?
 
I believe some of it is and some of isn't. He's an ******* and I sure as hell wouldn't want to work for him.
I worked for a privately-owned business for many years until the company went public. The owner was a billionaire. The message was clear: work for the man or you’re free to leave (or forced out if you can’t figure that out on your own). When I started working for the company out of school my net worth was like $5k (the value of my car and possessions). Today, I am like the 2%. The billionaire owner and Trump are not much different except the tweeting/trolling.
 
Get someone in there O'Keefe "Soros, Pelosi headline hush-hush 'Resistance' conference in California"

Liberal billionaire George Soros and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi were listed as the main attractions Friday at a California gathering of the anti-Trump elite.

The four-day event in Carlsbad, titled “Beyond Resistance: Reclaiming our Progressive Future,” asked that guests refrain from contacting the media or posting to social media, the agenda shows.
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Special guest speakers were listed as CNN contributor Van Jones and Center for American Progress CEO Neera Tanden.
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When not plotting their next political moves, it's assumed the group will have access to the resorts 17 tennis courts and championship golf course, as well as pools and hot tubs.

Soros made headlines in October when he transferred $18 billion -- or "the bulk of his wealth" -- into his activist charity arm, making the philanthropic organization second only to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in U.S. assets.

Soros, Pelosi headline hush-hush 'Resistance' conference in California | Fox News
 
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Get someone in there O'Keefe "Soros, Pelosi headline hush-hush 'Resistance' conference in California"

Liberal billionaire George Soros and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi were listed as the main attractions Friday at a California gathering of the anti-Trump elite.

The four-day event in Carlsbad, titled “Beyond Resistance: Reclaiming our Progressive Future,” asked that guests refrain from contacting the media or posting to social media, the agenda shows.
* * *
Special guest speakers were listed as CNN contributor Van Jones and Center for American Progress CEO Neera Tanden.
* * *
When not plotting their next political moves, it's assumed the group will have access to the resorts 17 tennis courts and championship golf course, as well as pools and hot tubs.

Soros made headlines in October when he transferred $18 billion -- or "the bulk of his wealth" -- into his activist charity arm, making the philanthropic organization second only to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in U.S. assets.

Soros, Pelosi headline hush-hush 'Resistance' conference in California | Fox News
Ho Chi Minh would be so proud.
 
Immigrants from Mexico are much more religious than the general US population and their attendance in evangelical churches is growing. They are reasonably open to what white, male, Christians like me are saying about God.

Yes. The moral compass of the evangelicals. Praise Trump Jesus.
 
What was your opinion on Booker's quick trigger finger in support of Jussie? Is that just something that is the new normal from an African-American and not an indication of their governing bias?

Virtually all liberals had a quick trigger finger in support of Jussie, even if Booker took it further than most. The desperation to promote the violent white supremacy narrative is just too much for the woke white Left. Obviously I condemn all of it, but that's where the political Left in the US is now. It is in a post-reality freak show on racial matters.
 
This article supports what Deez has been saying. Apparently Cocaine Mitch is on the same page.
McConnell Crushed Impeachment in One 30-minute Speech

My only disagreement is that I don't think it's a problem to impeach a president who hasn't broken a specific law, though I think it helps if he did. However, whatever articles you come up with (even if it's abuse of power) need to be objective and most of all need to be supported by real evidence. (Like I said, Article II (obstruction of Congress) is laughable - not even remotely worthy of being taken seriously.)

I've read and heard far too many media idiots and pundits whine that "the facts are clear and not in dispute." Not only are they in dispute, they aren't even supported by actual witness testimony or documents. However, those comments are coming from a bunch of people who can't even figure out what a boy or a girl is, so I shouldn't be surprised. If you think "chicks with dicks" are a real thing, it's hard to take you seriously when you claim to know what evidence is and how to analyze it.
 
Yes, in about page 20 here we discussed that the Judiciary Committee served as the prosecutor and the House served as the grand jury. The senate was the jury.

My comment was in response to “the GOP pushed them into impeachment “. So 20 pages of discussion doesn’t matter. Point is that dems were going to impeach no matter what. In my opinion the impeachment will not end well for them. Looking forward for heads to explode in 2020. Good luck in the championship run, I hope ou wins it all actually, just for the Big 12.
 
Since the impeachment investigation of Trump has started there have been a few events that have happened.

1). A billionaire pedophile with dirt on the Clintons got killed in his jail cell
2) Obama Administration got caught spying on Trump
3). The Biden’s got caught taking millions in bribes from the corrupt Ukraine leaders.

IMPEACHMENT = DISTRACTION :brickwall:
 
Oops

This probably doesn't help the GOP narrative that there is no evidence of Trump withholding funds to Ukraine.
Dunno...seems more to go against the Dem narrative that Ukraine was aware that funds were being withheld during the phone call.

I thought everyone knew Trump was suspicious of Zelensky and wanted time to get the go ahead from the same butthurt cry baby gubment types that the funds would be appropriated properly once released.
 
The whole idea of a quid pro quo abuse of power during the Zelensky call was all based on Zelensky and Ukraine knowing the aid was being withheld, thus willing to bend over for Trump. All this even though Zelensky himself is a non politician anti-corruption guy who took on the Ukranian establishment but is such a weak tit he will bend over for Trump.
 
Dunno...seems more to go against the Dem narrative that Ukraine was aware that funds were being withheld during the phone call.

I thought everyone knew Trump was suspicious of Zelensky and wanted time to get the go ahead from the same butthurt cry baby gubment types that the funds would be appropriated properly once released.
If you believe the Ukraine President, then yes he didn't know that funds were being withheld. But, that narrative isn't being spouted by the media. Heck, even Fox News barely mentions it.

My point was that now that this is out there all the ones who believe that he should be impeached will point to these emails that Trump withheld funds for personal political gain instead of the possibility that the funds were withheld due to Trump wanting to know for certain no corruption was going on in the Ukraine.
 
If you believe the Ukraine President, then yes he didn't know that funds were being withheld. But, that narrative isn't being spouted by the media. Heck, even Fox News barely mentions it.

My point was that now that this is out there all the ones who believe that he should be impeached will point to these emails that Trump withheld funds for personal political gain instead of the possibility that the funds were withheld due to Trump wanting to know for certain no corruption was going on in the Ukraine.
Ah that's right, we are supposed to help and support Ukraine while calling their President a liar.

I haven't watched For News in a week or so. But, I don't get my news from Yahoo and GMA either.
 
I think the question is ... would Trump have acted the same with respect to Ukraine WHEN he did ...

If Biden wasn't a current POTUS candidate?

I think so. I guess we can quibble over how long is long enough to allow the "new guy" to settle into his chair before addressing some obvious illegal activity which involved Ukraine and the new president's efforts to "clean-up" the country ...

and it clearly involves a LOT of high-end US government people ... Ds and Rs.

This is what's so frustrating ... We're gonna padlock on Trump for withholding aid we'd been sending for at least 3 years .... while a POTUS candidate is clearly guilty of the very alleged abuse of power, and probably worse.

You can't make this stuff up ... (sic)
 
There was at a minimum an attempted withholding of aid and quid pro quo.

I still don't get why, even if there as a "quid pro quo", that is impeachable. Every negotiation has a quid pro quo, or otherwise there wouldn't need to be any negotiation. When I buy a car and haggle over the price, I am involved in a quid pro quo - Mr. Dealer, sell me the car for this price or else I won't buy it (ie, withhold my money from you). Should I go to jail for that? Should I be prevented from bargaining for a better price in that way? This whole thing is stupid.
 
I still don't get why, even if there as a "quid pro quo", that is impeachable. Every negotiation has a quid pro quo, or otherwise there wouldn't need to be any negotiation. When I buy a car and haggle over the price, I am involved in a quid pro quo - Mr. Dealer, sell me the car for this price or else I won't buy it (ie, withhold my money from you). Should I go to jail for that? Should I be prevented from bargaining for a better price in that way? This whole thing is stupid.

That is precisely my point. A quid pro quo on its own isn't impeachable. For it to become impeachable, some kind of bad faith or nefarious intent would be required. Nobody has cared to prove that.
 

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