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meet with Gov. Perry today.
Gee ya think BO finally understood how not meeting with the Gov would look vis a vis BO's concern for the crisis?
I hope Gov Perry asked why all of a sudden BO is so concerned about following the law.

on a related note No one has been able to offer an explanation on how all these oppressively poor people all at the same came up with the 4-8k to pay coyotes . In many cases the sum represents an entire year's earnings and I am pretty sure coyotes don't offer an EZ payment plan.
and I guess we can't ask mexico how they didn't notice thousands of kids riding on top of their train.
 
I was listening to NPR on the way home from work last night and I heard a Republican Senator from Arizona (not McCain) who absolutely made sense on this issue. The Link

Sen Flake, rather than spouting partisan blather I expected made some very interesting points:

1. Immigration law (current) requires children here from non-contiguous countries to be held in "least restrictive possible" surroundings until a court hearing far in the future. Most are housed with relatives and 90 percent never show for the court hearings.
2. Obama's proposal is heavy on humanitarian aid, light on tools to speed the administrative/judicial process.

Sen. Flake said that we had a similar crisis with Brazilian children and the gov't started holding custody of the children until speedy administrative hearings. When the children stopped being released to relatives, they stopped coming here.

He seemed to have a really great problem-solving approach to this. I honestly found it very refreshing to hear a politician speak on a divisive issue and hear sensible analysis rather than partisan drivel.
 
Notice how BO's original $2 billion proposal swelled to $3.7 billion? That's pretty typical for him.

I heard that something over $400 million goes to the border patrol, most of that is earmarked for them to provide food and care for these people, NOT to hire more agents or to do anything to better enforce the border.

1.8 billion to HHS to feed, clothe, and provide legal services for these people.

BO isn't trying to stop the flood he started with his ill advised Executive Order Dream Act. He's pouring gasoline on the fire.
 
How can wanting a secure border be considered partisan?
How can understanding we can't take every child in the world in and give them a life be considered partisan?

How is asking how we handle this wave will affect whether or not we get future waves be considered partisan? Does anyone doubt this huge uptick is not a result of NO's DACA policy? Anyone who gets here stays here?
If this wave gets to stay does anyone think that will be the last? Is recognizing that partisan?
How is it partisan to point out we have NO money and this flood is overtaxing an already overtaxed system? Ex. Where will the room come to handle these kids in already crowded schools? Who will pay for teaching them?


yes there is a law , [passed during Bush era that treats illegal alien children from countries other than Mexico differently. It was written for a different time and problem .

BO ignores the laws he wishes to ignore, this would be one time I'd agree with him to ignore the law and humanely and send these kids back to their parents.
 
Pretty funny that now even some conservatives on here (Mr. Deez, I applaud you) are completely sick of your ********. Of course it all flies over your head as you drone on and on and on ....
 
Chango!!
what a great idea- drones.
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carp whine and ignore the problem
yea that is the ticket
 
I here that the U.N. is going to vote on a resolution to designate these folks as refugees, which will change how they are supposed to be handled (assuming we go along with it and I'm sure BO will). I don't think you can just deport them back to their country of origin if they're a refugee, of course we're only deporting .000001% now.
 
mrD
so you think that becuse they are here they should stay?
and you don't think this will create more coming?

and this
'DACA (which is a big crock of BS and an abuse of power) doesn't apply to any of these people. "

You know it doesn't apply to them. do you honestly think they don't know?
What are the odds that all those families somehow managed to scrap up the thousands of dollars ( or whatever currency coyotes accept) to send all those thousands of so far 6 month period of time.
The main point about the law is that BO is choosing to refer to this law when he blithely ignores the ones which do not suit his agenda.

So let's say we keep these 65k? What about the next 65 and the 65 after that

do you have a ceiling on the number you are ok with coming in illegally?

Not even sure what to say about your remark that there is no big deal about printing and borrowing more billions.

Chango I would ask if you can answer any questions civilly instead of taking meaningless potshots.
Do you think this is a crisis?
if we let them all stay how many more would you be ok with coming in?
 
Here is Senator Coburn Ok ( also a Doc) view of what is going on
from CNN
" Sen. Tom Coburn said Tuesday he opposes President Barack Obama's request for $3.7 billion in emergency funding to address the influx of unaccompanied minors across the southwest border.

"That's $60,000 per child we will spend, in emergency money," the Oklahoma Republican said on CNN's "Crossfire."
"That shows how incompetent [the government] is."

Coburn said providing additional resources for detention spaces and immigration attorneys to the minors is the "wrong approach."

"We can put them all on a first class seat to their homes, that's $8 million,' he added.
more atThe Link
 
mrD
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It's hyperbolic and provides no solutions. If we were truly out of money, "?
IF we were truly put of money?
Where is this money you think we have?
ever heard of the deficit and debt?

Senator Coburn also pointed out Congress could change the law in 2 weeks which would help get the kids back to their homes and parents without the USA spending 60k per kid, money we DO NOT have/
 
The American people MAY be beginning to wake up to what is happening to their country. Protestors in Murrietta, Fooking, CALIFORNIA acutally caused two bus loads of illegals to turn around the other day.

Somebody on the Bill Bennett show this morning observed that the Govt. isn't housing any of these people in states where Democrats are in trouble in Senate races; Louisiana, Arkansas, etc. I guess they remember what happened to Gov. Bill Clinton back in 1980..
 
This letter from Gov. Perry outlines the issues and problems with not deporting illegal minors. Gov. Perry points out the problems for us and for the illegals that inaction by BO is causing.

The Link

can anyone disagree with Gov. Perry's points.
or think that BO will act to stop this?
 
6721 -- You shoud like Perry's letter. It was written for an audience of people like you who have an insatiable appetite for partisan shillery. He blames the president for insecurity of a border that has never been secure and offers no realistic solutions or genuine help.

If Perry were trying to help he might acknowlege the president's legal obligations under current law, suggest amendments to the law and efforts to get the Texas Congressional delegation behind them. Hell, if I were communicating with an opponent trying to be persuasive and encourage reasonable action, I might even compliment Obama on the fact that since he's been president net migration out of the US into Mexico has exceeded that of illegals coming in.

What's irritating to me about this thread is that Deez and I (coming from vastly different political perspectives) pretty much agree that actions should be taken to make the borders more secure, repatriate the children crossing illegally as expeditiously as reasonably possible and change the law/provide funding to speed up the repatriation process.

The point has been that laws should be honored. Needed changes in the law have to be passed by by Congress and signed by the President. In situations like this, solving problems requires a collaborative atmosphere which is poisoned by insults and public shows of disrespect.

I provided a link to insights from a solidly conservative politician who offers a workable ideas and actionable information. You link people like Coburn and Perry who seek first to embarrass the Obama Administration and make points with their base. I'd add Texas Senator Cornyn to the list partisan hacks playing to pissed-off right wingers. In the sound bites on the morning news show I saw had him complaining about how close Obama came to the border withhout actually making a visit, complete with a slick diagram.

I admire politicians who solve problems and don't hinder themselves by unnecessarily alienating people with opposing views. You seem to admire the politicians most adept at insulting Obama. To each his own.

Again, please understand that just because we think it's counterproductive to ***** about free underwear or whether Obama personally visits the border/hangs out with Perry, doesn't mean we don't want secure borders and deportation/discouragement of unaccompanied minors coming into this country.
 
Michtex -- I don't know what to admire most about your model ... beauty or spelling skill. Well, as Andrew Jackson observed "It's a poor man that knows but one way spell a word."
 
Both Pages. Did you follow the link to Sen. Flake's comments? Find anything you disagree with?
 
Consolidating a watered down media moment, BO met with Perry for 15 minutes (according to the radio report this afternoon) then says Perry had good points and agreed with him. He follows that up with a five minute "blame the republicans" speech and says that if Perry leads the Texas Republicans to help pass his spending bill everything will be solved.

Now he's resumed his fundraising trip in Austin at Robert Rodriguez's house.
 
I hope good sense prevails and the president's proposed spending bill will be altered to have a lot more money for judges/investigators to hasten deportation than he's suggesting and therefore less need for all the housing/humanitarian assistance.

You know I hate it when judicial delays makes it easy for corporations to shirk responsibility. I hate it just as much when procedural delays make a farce of immigration policy.
 
I heard BO llying on the radio again this morning. He said flat out that "most of these children will NOT be allowed to stay in the US". How does he get away with that? It's such a bald face lie.

Also, South Texas democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar, who has been urging BO to go to the border and see things first hand, got a call from the White House telling him to STFU.
 
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He said flat out that "most of these children will NOT be allowed to stay in the US".
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If he means legally, Obama is probably right. If we release them to families already here, odds are 90 percent of them will stay here, "allowed" or not.
 
Croc
Amazing that you say you read Perry's letter and you see it as partisan.
Do you think Perry was making stuff up about what is going on on our border?
 
What mostly irritated me about the letter is that is placed the entire blame for this fiasco on the president and suggested he could unilaterally fix it. (Not the way to write a persuasive letter ... at least not to a President or any person with a healthy ego.) The letter was deliberately insulting and advocated a course of action -- immediate deportation -- that is not currently legal. Actually fixing this issues, as Sen. Flake so adeptly described in a link I doubt you followed, will take cooperative efforts.

What Flake recommends, and I endorse, is nothing like Obama's proposal, but it is legal, workable, efficient and humane.
 
Yes. Did you follow the Sen Jeff Flake link?The Link

Also visit the senator's website for a look at sensible proposals to fix this probem, go toThe Link

There are bullshitters and there are problem-solvers. I see Flake as the latter.
 
Croc

I did and Flake made some good common sense .points.

Perry's letter was written 2 YEARS ago. At the time 2 years ago the number of illegal minors flooding in was causing burdens and money.

Did BO do anything? BO doesn't need any legislation to send the NG to the border. What if he'd done that then? Or what if he made the same effort to tell people in those countries NOT to come as he did letting them know they could be eligible for benefits?

You find what Perry said partisan and suggest BO did nothing because he was angry at the tone of the letter?

Would a leader be so petty as to not act to stop or stem a crisis because he felt someone was not polite?

Does the tone of the letter change the facts on the ground?

Croc
what if BO had actually done something 2 years ago?
Dems had control of Congress so he can't blame" the obstructive GOP in the House" and as noted he does not need congress to send the NG.
 
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