I'm done with Tim Beck

Pomspoms said:
now I know he's a great recruiter, that's proven already, but he can't coach on game day
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Are you inferring that he is Mack Brown's love child?

"Appreciate Greg Davis a little more"? I've known Greg since he was in the 7th grade, and nobody and nothing can make me appreciate the job Greg has done at PNG. A&M, UNC, and Texas LESS than I do and shall continue to do. Greg is what he is and always has been - give him a great QB, and he will put up numbers, but he is and always has been as predictable as an alter call in a Southern Baptist Church on Sunday morning.


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I felt like OSU were crowding the line from the start daring us to pass over the top. But Beck chose to throw the lateral pass or in the flat right where they are. We didn’t throw our first deep pass until overtime and we got an interference call. We have to spread the field. Design plays to help the line for longer plays. It’s possible and we didn’t even try to.
 
I feel like it's sort of the Greg Davis thing all over again....Tim Beck does what Tom Herman wants him to do to control the football/limit turnovers. Our offensive line issues doesn't allow for coloring outside the box. Maybe in the next few games we'll get better cohesiveness from the o-line and then options open up.
 
Every game is different. If our Offensive was groovin, then the D would probably get lazy and let them score....oh wait they did at OU and USC. Point is you win and lose as a complete team. And we are a few screw turns from being really good. This team can play with any one, which is a big improvement from Strong.
I'm expecting some offensive adjustments, some good wins and a bowl game/victory.
 
I have no idea. I did not cut and paste anything. None of that showed up when I proof read before hitting "post"
 
ProdigalHorn said:
Good. See you in 10 more years.
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Wow ... that's a little harsh.

Beck hasn't called a consistent drive to yet that I can recollect. Yeah, it's really tough when you have 3s starting in your line. Yeah, it's really tough when you have a QB who was in HS a year ago. Yeah, it's really tough when you don't have superman behind that Frosh QB.

It's tough, too, when your center clearly commits a foul blocking below the waist downfield erasing a MUCH needed play against your rival in the RRS.

Stop going sideways/backwards more often than not. The best producing misdirection has been Sam rolling right and dumping it back to Warren. Otherwise ... our receivers run routes where they're not moving when the ball arrives or moving backward ... before any sort of "come back" to help a pressured QB. Otherwise, when Warren gets the ball AS HE'S RUNNING TOWARD THE LOS ... he gains ... and usually more than 3.8 ypc. Ditto Carter.

I'd appreciate Greg Davis' return like the lefties would like W back. The results were better (though clearly not championship ball) ... but the scheme is virtually identical. Difference? No VY. No Colt McCoy (though I do think we have one in the making if we can keep from crushing him, too)

When it's 3/20, the zone read isn't going to get it done ... and get it done doesn't mean "line to gain," it means, get out of the hole so your punter isn't at the back of the endzone 11 yards from the LOS. Might as well quick kick if you're going to do that. You've not helped your punter at all, though clearly we DO have superman punting! Wow!

I couldn't believe Johnson didn't get more throws. roll the pocket for crying out loud. That way the battered O Line has half a clue where the QB is NOT going. IDK ... seemed like we simply wouldn't try anything different regardless of the result ... and the result of milford is a lot of calories being burned but very little production.

Why not line-up in a Power I and just do a base block and see what happens? Exciting? No, but simple and perhaps over the course, the defense gets worn down a bit??? 3/3.5 ... we get 3.8 ... FIRST DOWN, Red.

That said, we did finally give Warren/Carter a lead blocker with Brewer but we didn't stick with it. Sigh. It's tough. That's the bottom line.

It's tough knowing your defense is beginning to play light's out ball. That the man coverage 2-deep zone probably influenced IM A MAN to stay on the ground and reduce the opportunity to pick 6, which was clearly needed from the inept offensive game plan/play calling.

It's tough wondering how long it'll be before the D surrenders. How do you hold the highest producing offense to 10 points and STILL lose the game?
 
I've been watching a lot of past games on LHN lately. Plenty of games with VY, Colt, Major, etc. when they were less experienced. Plenty of mistakes, interceptions, etc. Perhaps watching these games is one reason I am on board with the glass half full thread by @stevedallas. Colt threw pick sixes. VY made terrible decisions. Hell, I rewatched the 2005 CCG last night. VY threw an early pick that gave CU 1st and goal. Our defense stopped them. I guarantee that I, with the 2001 CCG against CU fresh in my mind, was thinking at the time, oh great, her we go again. That got quickly erased thankfully. Point is, we are VERY young on offense, particularly with the injuries right now. I am going to reserve judgement on Beck for now.

I also continue to read about how bad Greg Davis was. Predictable, vanilla, only good when he had good or great players. Serious question here: What OCs in the last 20-30 years are creative and not predictable in many cases? Don't most offenses require exceptional talent and experience to succeed? Is there another OC who could step in with this group, injury status as it is, and produce significantly better results? To be creative, etc. requires great talent, right?

How did Mack and Greg convince all those exceptionally talented athletes who won the 2005 NC and competed for the 2009 NC to come to Texas if they were so bad at coaching and scheme? Honest question.

Thanks.
 
HIC

it's about percentage ball. It's been bantered here before, but I'm convinced 2006 would have been the SECOND year under Mack for winning the NC if they'd made the decision early in 2004 they finally made in 2005 to "turn him loose" ... I know the game isn't Veer ... nor even wishbone triple option. (though just because few play it doesn't mean it's not viable) But ... the goal is STILL to make first downs. Can't consistently do that when you fail at fundamental play ... and play calling.

I won't speak for why athletes took the recruiting bait ... there's a lot of marketing ... but to me, the measure of the program is number of conference championships and national championships ... not games won and not bowl record.

I think Alabama is a good reference for a standard of measure the last 10 years. Do they play flicker ball? Do they run a hitch pass every 3rd pass which is 3 of every 4 or 5 plays? Do they stand around in the backfield or do they ATTACK?
 
You got me there. I don't watch Alabama. I have no idea, but I suspect their fan base complains too. It is human nature to complain about these things, it seems. Wasn't there a lot of consternation amongst the Bama faithful when Kiffin was OC?

We were winning 10+games a year for, what, 9 years in a row or something crazy like that. I admit I don't know enough Xs and Os to speak to it with authority, but I just find it hard to believe that our schemes were so horrendously bad and laughable that our superior athletes just overwhelmed so many defense for so long to win that many ball games. But I guess it's true because so many people on here say it is.

Edit: I am not saying I think Beck is the answer or not. I have no clue. That's why I'm an airline pilot LOL. I am only asking questions about what makes him so bad in the eyes of many posters and how it is they seem to know that for sure.
 
Nothing wrong with predictable and vanilla. If you teach and demand good fundamentals ... if your guy beats his assignment and the team does so simultaneously more than the other team does ... Victory.

Milford can stay in Milford.
 
Here is a ranking of 2017 NCAA offense by "Football Outsiders"

The S&P+ Ratings are a college football ratings system derived from the play-by-play data of all 800+ of a season's FBS college football games (and 140,000+ plays). S&P+ ratings are based around the core concepts of the Five Factors: efficiency, explosiveness, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers.​

We show up just below the middle

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff

Segregating just the Big 12 leaves
1. ou
2. OSU
3. WVU
4. TTU
5. TCU
6. KSU
7. ISU
8. BU
9. UT
10. KU
 
The tom osburne huskers would dare ya to score 29 points. They'd score 28 and most often, you'd struggle to break 20.

THAT is football. Not this circus we have now where the zebras have as much influence on the outcome as the players and coaches.

I think huddle should be required unless in the last two minutes of a half. In trying to make it fair for the defense ... the officials can alter the tempo ... so ... cut the tempo. If you get that far behind in the first 28 minutes ... nasty gash.
 
ShAArk92 said:
The tom osburne huskers would dare ya to score 29 points. They'd score 28 and most often, you'd struggle to break 20.
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Yes, and that sanctimonious piece if **** had a winning percentage of less than 10% against ranked teams. I used him as a poster boy in recruiting letters because at one point he was like 2-29, while Akers was 23-4.
 
is there a chance the play book is as much an issue as the in-game play calling? maybe our running game is ineffective because of the running plays [lineman spread and duties, ability to create advantages (pulls, lead blocking, reads), creating confusion], not the plays called?
 
X Misn Tx said:
maybe our running game is ineffective because of the running plays
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this befuddled me during the height of the Greg Davis misdirection years, too, if I understand your question correctly.

We haven't had a real rushing attack in years ... we run off the pass formations ... which means ... fewer blockers ... and even the splits in our hog molies (sp?) optimized for pocket creation rather than hole punching?

We have a goal line offense ... and we have ... spread. QB RARELY under center. Good point.
 
SabreHorn said:
used him as a poster boy in recruiting letters because at one point he was like 2-29, while Akers was 23-4.
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Clearly that was early in Akers career as HC.

I'm not saying I admired Osburne personally, but the Huskers were a solid team year in and year out for a long time ... then they succumbed to flashy football too and have eeked narry a sound.
 
ProdigalHorn said:
And those kids should get off your lawn? ;)
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Interestingly enough ... I just ran-off a young couple trespassing on my brother's newly acquired ranchero. They helped themselves across the fence to his 40 acres for a little photography ... of his barbie doll girlfriend ... with the sunset ... and 30" KR Bluestem in bad need of cutting. It's a wonder they didn't find a rattlesnake going to den!
 
Sorry, but you seem to have a tainted view of Fred's tenure in Austin. To refresh your memory:

1) Over ten years, Fred lost ONE out of conference regular season game other than OU, against whom he was 5-4-1.

2) His record against ranked teams will likely never be approached either at The University or in the conference. Again, it was something like 23-5.

When you consider the ******** he had to put up with from BMD, some of whom actually called recruits (more than once) and told them Fred was going to be fired so they may not want to commit to Texas. One of those was hosting me when the call came in.

Add the fact that Fred was prevented from hiring some of his coaching preferences as assistants.

Fred and Diane represented The University with class and dignity and still do.

Tom Osborne is and always has been a sanctimonious, self serving piece of ****, who I am glad is out of athletics. How many young men did he ruin with his steroid mill?
 
SabreHorn said:
Sorry, but you seem to have a tainted view of Fred's tenure in Austin.
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Seems you have a rose colored glasses view with all those qualifiers.

Fred had how many conference championships at UT? 3? One of those with Earl Campbell.

I'm not out to malign Fred. It's water under the bridge and I'm sure he's an outstanding gentleman. However, he was selected over Mike Campbell, Royal's pick ... because ... well, I think you know. Before being the Horns' HC, Akers operated the projector at Longhorn club meetings.

your 23-4 record clearly spans middle of seasons ... which is more number crunching ... manipulate the numbers to tell the story you want told. A bit unbecoming.

If Fred was worthy to succeed Royal as HC, we'd not have had David McWilliams, now would we?

Back to point ... Beck is likely a consummate gentleman too but his offensive strategy is not only NOT fundamental, it's ineffective.
 
I was at Texas as a student when they fired Akers for the first losing season in 30 years. Then McWilliams had three losing seasons in five years. It made no sense to me in 1986. I’ll compare that moves with firing Les Miles....
 
ShAArk92 said:
If Fred was worthy to succeed Royal as HC, we'd not have had David McWilliams, now would we?
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If you were around then, you know what happened. If not, it certainly doesn't need to be discussed on the internet. We all knew it would happen sooner or later, but hoped Fred would outlive it. Didn't happen. I always thought Deloss' comments summed it up the best, along with those of Ron Franklin.

How do you feel about the sacrificial 27?
 
SabreHorn said:
If you were around then, you know what happened.
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As I outline in my profile ... I was around, but I don't have your seniority and I've never sent letters to recruits. I am, however, the offspring of one who did (he passed last year) have your seniority (but to my knowledge never sent letters to recruits either.) He was in those Club meetings where he heard DKR say "Freddie, run that back" ... the projector.

It's ironic, isn't it ... your defense of Akers is based in the level of support he received for his selection of assistants (ED ... Mike Campbell was fired, too) ... and I may have you errantly grouped with the bunch here who is rabidly anti-Charlie and disregard the lacking support he had ... but any how.

I suppose we all have our different perspectives of different coaches. If one has a personal connection, it makes it more difficult to be objective ... but if one is "an outsider" he can't know "all" of it, either. My perspective of the Akers era is this is when I learned the definition of mediocrity. Perhaps it wasn't completely his fault, but he was in the chair 10 years for crying out loud. Certainly received more consideration than did Strong.

... and I'm not familiar with this "sacrificial 27" term. If that's a point to illustrate how much more connected you are than I ever was or hope to be, hat tip. I acknowledge your superior degree of connection and perspective. Is this what some (you?) call the cleansing of the AD/Football in particular by Lorraine Rogers?

If so ... well even if not "the sacrificial 27" ... of THIS event (DKR's firing) ... my feelings are that this was a dark day for The University when the UT President decided to poke The Legend ... because she could. She may even have been ahead of her time as a "Caly Educrat" like we have now in Fenves. Her actions put UT Football into tail spin which spanned two decades. I feel like someone had their own best interests in mind rather than The University's.

Just think how much farther ahead in the tradition of champion the Horns would have been if Mike Campbell would have succeeded DKR. I know the business of the game was changing. DKR cites that in his book, but the game was still the game and Mike knew it as well as anyone, methinks. Thanks. I'm interested to know your thoughts and feelings on this, too.
 
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