Houstonians for Obama and Che'?

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Damn. Even pevodog, quite possibly the most diehard Republican on this board, started a good thread about Obama's health care plan. That thread went basically nowhere after some good posts.

But a thread about a ******* Che flag in Obama's Houston outpost is probably gonna go 100 posts deep.

This is what we care about. This is why we are ******.
 
Ever been to Miami? Ultra-right-wing Cuban expatriates fly that very same flag every day of the week. In case y'all missed it, the Cuban flag is far older than Cuban communism. Their flag has used that same design for more than 150 years. Some people need to check their history before they flip out.
 
What's the big effin deal. Che is a romantic figure to many Marxists. As a socialist of the Swedish school, he is not my hero but I understand the attraction. Face it, his picture is one of the most recognizable of all time.
 
SD I wholeheartedly accept your apology. I do believe it was mainly a misunderstanding.

You did ask about my feelings about Obama's exposure to Islam. I took Revolution in Iran, and Family, Politics, and Religion in the Modern Middle East while @ UT. This gave me some exposure to Islam. I also have a sister in law who was married in a mosque to an illegal Somali immigrant, and my father in law lives in Dubai. These are my main exposures to Islam. I do NOT believe that Obama being exposed to, or having a knowledge of Islam is a bad thing at all. I would have concerns about any personal Islamic beliefs that Obama could have, or any sympathies to extremist Islam regimes. (And yes I do have GRAVE concerns about the way the Bush family is so close to the Saudi royals as well). I think that exposure and knowledge of Islam in a broad sense is a good thing when it comes to foreign policy. I have already stated that I defended Obama against the lies being spread in that email. (I don't know how to referenece the email any other way, but I think most here have seen the email in question.)
My understanding is that Obama's Indonesian step father was Muslim and that Islam was practiced in the house when Obama lived in Indonesia. I have tried to get better information about this part of Obama's life than wikipedia, but that is the only source I have seen with much information from this part of his life. I think that it is legitimate to ask what influence that part of his life plays in Obama's decision making process today.
I will also say that I believe the questions about Obama and his religious beliefs are complicated by his association with Trinity UCC in Chicago. This is also the church that Oprah attends (at least that is my understanding). Oprah is about as non-Christian, new age spiritual, a public figure as I know about. From what I know about Trinity and Rev. Wright, I also question the theology of the 'Christian' church where Obama feels very much at home. (that is a paraphrase of how I heard Obama describe his coming into the Church).
I also watched Obama be unable to articulate a simple Christian faith in debates with Alan Keyes during Senatorial debates held in IL. Keyes pointed out that a Christian is to love God with the entirety of their being, and Obama stated it was 'part of what motivates me.' He also went on to state, "that is why I have my Bible, that is why I have my pastor." I don't even know what that means.
I believe these are legitimate questions about Obama. I do not believe that simple exposure to Islam is bad, but I do question the authenticity of his faith in general.
 
The unspoken proposition in arguing about Obama's 'exposure to Islam'--whatever that means--is that being a Muslim is apparently unacceptable to many people in a presidential candidate.
 
You can almost hear the panic in Wash's posts these days. Cultish Obama adoration, Nixonian Democratic party and Houstonians for Obama and Che....

It puts an enormous grin on my face to realize the degree of scavanging necessary to create these incredibly weak talking points.
 
A confederate flag in a GOP or a Dem office would be a bigger deal than Che and rightfully so. I'm never sure what people mean by displaying Che. I think it can mean a lot of things or nothing beyond an attraction to the image.

The confederate flag is a known controversial standard. If some Civil War re-enactors are flying it, fine. Otherwise, it is a charged symbol of the fight to maintain slavery and 20th Century opposition to civil rights and desegregation. Others may argue that flag does not stand for those things, but those things are what make it controversial.

The Che image in a Dem office is just fodder for the extreme right's new buzzword which is "socialist." They've worn out the word "liberal" which begins to sound pretty good if it's an alternative to what's in office now. So, they have to up the ante.

The Dems are not pink, they're red! They hate America! They're socialists!
 
Actually, it shows an extreme lack of knowledge about history or politics.

Che Guevara was a bloodthirsty anarchist who found Castro too soft. He therefore left Cuba after the revolution to go foment rebellion in Africa. The rebels there found him too bloodthirsty and refused to follow him, so he packed off to S America.

Didn't win many hearts and minds there either.

An iconic image to be sure. But hanging it in a presidential candidate's grassroots office is just plain stupid and as I said in my opening sentence, "shows an extreme lack of knowledge about history or politics".
 
Damn where's that office at the KPFT radio station?

Btw, they tried to interview that lady on the news last night... she didn't really have the time to talk...

Good posts lately, TexonLongIsland
 
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