Herman better record than Sark through 34 games...

LHABSOB

LHABSOB

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I've gotten big chuckles out of the Sumlin/ jimbo record comparisons like the one below. Then my Bama buddy told me tonight that through 34 games at Texas Herman had a better record than Sark. Looked it up and he's right-
Herman 22-12. Sark 21-13

I'm not talking about culture, kissing alumni asses, singing the eyes, etc. Just pure record Herman was better than Sark with arguably less talent.

 
LHABSOB said:
I've gotten big chuckles out of the Sumlin/ jimbo record comparisons like the one below. Then my Bama buddy told me tonight that through 34 games at Texas Herman had a better record than Sark. Looked it up and he's right-
Herman 22-12. Sark 21-13

I'm not talking about culture, kissing alumni asses, singing the eyes, etc. Just pure record Herman was better than Sark with arguably less talent.

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the difference is Sark has us spiraling upwards at 34 games while Herman had us spiraling downwards at 34 games. Herman was losing good recruits like a rock falling off a cliff.
 
Pomspoms said:
the difference is Sark has us spiraling upwards at 34 games while Herman had us spiraling downwards at 34 games. Herman was losing good recruits like a rock falling off a cliff.
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Exactly. Sark has us on an upward trajectory. The question next year and going forward is can he keep us on this trajectory where 10-11 wins in the standard (like Mack did) or will we fall back to the 7-8 win season range we hate so much.

Herman had (then lost) Ewers and somehow missed on the Brockermeyer twins (maybe that wasn’t as bad as it looked at the time). We weren’t a factor on the national scene with Herman and we were heading down quickly.

we’ll see if sark can keep things going. I expect a little regression next year due to substantial talent in this years team heading to the NFL, but I also see capable, young replacements ready to step into those roles. And I feel much better about our QB play going forward now that I’ve seen Murphy for a couple of games (his turnovers notwithstanding).
 
Herman was a phony and his ******** had worn thin and no one was buying it anymore. Not the players, most importantly. The pee charts and kisses, and so much other weirdness.

I have been really critical of Sark for his game day coaching, but 3 years in it’s apparent he is an authentic person. and I think he is a legit coach.
 
Detective Shilala said:
Herman was a phony and his ******** had worn thin and no one was buying it anymore. Not the players, most importantly. The pee charts and kisses, and so much other weirdness.

I have been really critical of Sark for his game day coaching, but 3 years in it’s apparent he is an authentic person. and I think he is a legit coach.
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Good to hear you say that.
 
The thing that always bugged me about Herman was that he acted like not only was he the smartest guy in the room but that you were the dumbest. Arrogance doesn't fly with me.
 
Thanks, I will be the first to admit I can overreact in the moment when we are struggling and talk ****.
Sark might not be the genius he was billed as. He doesn’t have to be as the head coach. I do believe he is a legit coach in spite of a frustrating bug or two.
(with hindsight hopefully these will be non-issues.
Herman’s bugs were big issues, with hindsight.
 
I have been very happy with the way Sark has handled the CEO part of the job. He puts a good face on the program and shows a steady hand on the tiller. Herman and Charlie Strong failed at that aspect of the job.
 
Phil Elliott said:
I have been very happy with the way Sark has handled the CEO part of the job. He puts a good face on the program and shows a steady hand on the tiller. Herman and Charlie Strong failed at that aspect of the job.
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Players seem to want to play for him and there appears to be minimum player issues.
 
Every time Sark does an interview I seem to come away more respectful. Like others have expressed on here he always had me pulling for him so I’m doubly glad things appear to be heading in the right direction.
 
In Herman's final season, we had the tools (including Sam) to be a dominant team. But we just weren't. Whether or not Covid and all the behind-the-scenes stuff mattered wasn't important to me. What was?
  • Not playing Bijan enough
  • Looking like **** against Tech and needing a miracle to leave Lubbock with a W.
  • Looking like **** against TCU (every single year) and fumbling the game away.
  • Looking like **** against OU for 3.5 quarters and then ripping the carpet from underneath us with the OT loss.
  • Needing a single first down to put ISU away and get into the CCG, but not getting it.
Even if the writing on the wall hadn't already been there from binders and arrogance and whatever else, being "better than Charlie Strong" on the field wasn't our standard of success. His 4th year in Austin was still no better than Mack's first year in Austin. And we needed that change of pace.

The things I'll give Herman credit for (on the field) are not having a disaster of a first season (like Sark), and only 5 losses by more than 1 score. We were "in" every game. But that was kind of a low bar with how bad the XII had gotten.
 
Tom Herman was good for 3-6 losses, but great at bowl game prep/performance.

How do I say... he didn't act cool. He acted like a wiener dressed up like a football CEO. Making fun of an opposing QB with his sideline antics was so cringe worthy.

Sark's first year "counts" but is NOT the same. While Strong's comments that the cake was made and Herman only needed to bake it, or whatever were silly, they were not entirely inaccurate. Herman had more talent and culture on the team when he walked in than Sark had. Sark is trending up. Herman trended down.

We all know the reason Jimbo is under scrutiny is the huge contract and overall talent-to-performance ratios.
 
X Misn Tx said:
Herman had more talent and culture on the team when he walked in than Sark had.
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Interesting to compare the 2 rosters- Herman inherited Buechele, Duverney, Collin J, Connor Williams, Holton Hill, Poona Ford as some top names.

Sark inherited Card, Casey Thompson, Roschon, Bijan, J Whitt, Sweat, Coburn, Overshown,

not sure I think there is a big talent pool difference in the two. Sark definitely had a hole in OLine when he came.
 
With some personality and perspective modifications, Herman could be (could have been) a top tier HC. It may seem odd to say this (and I’ve said it before), but Tom Herman lacks maturity. That lack of maturity manifests in the form of arrogance, poor judgment, and is a result of an uncontrollable ego.

If he ever has an epiphany and figures it out, look out. He will be very effective.
 
dukesteer said:
With some personality and perspective modifications, Herman could be (could have been) a top tier HC. It may seem odd to say this (and I’ve said it before), but Tom Herman lacks maturity. That lack of maturity manifests in the form of arrogance, poor judgment, and is a result of an uncontrollable ego.

If he ever has an epiphany and figures it out, look out. He will be very effective.
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I agree with you. Tom Herman's actions after he was named head coach at UT can be analogized to an over-indulgent parent who hands their 17 year old son the keys to the Ferrari. Not surprisingly, the Ferrari almost certainly ends up in a ditch (or worse).

With maturity and experience, that kid might one day master driving a Ferrari, but he sure as hell isn't ready at 17 years of age.
 
Difference is we have a great TEAM that’s getting better. Herman was busy getting woke.
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True. He might have survived if he had not flubbed The Eyes of Texas thing so badly. And, just like Mackovic, when things went wrong, he had made no allies to stick up for him.
 
Hoff
I won't speak for LHABSOB BUT I have read his posts for enough years to know he is a knowledgeable Loyal Horn and if you read the OP He is only posting what others have pointed out.
It is a stupid stat but no way does poster think Herman is/was a better coach.
 
HoffHorn said:
If the OP doesn’t understand the difference, ban yourself from this board for 1 week! Geez!
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Horn6721 said:
Hoff
I won't speak for LHABSOB BUT I have read his posts for enough years to know he is a knowledgeable Loyal Horn and if you read the OP He is only posting what others have pointed out.
It is a stupid stat but no way does poster think Herman is/was a better coach.
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Guessing Hoff is joking. We all met at Tolbert's a few years back.
 
A one game difference in record? Eh . . . All I care about is that Texas is 8 - 1 and grinding its way to the CFP. If Texas takes care of business from here on out, no on will care what Herman's record was. :hookem:
 
Herman's win total at Texas went:
7-10-8-7*
*COVID-shortened season. Had we played a full schedule, probably 10 wins, so that's:
7-10-8-10
That's hardly trending down.

Sark has yet to win 10 games in a season, nor make a conference championship game appearance, here or anywhere else. He's also yet to win a bowl game at Texas, something Herman was very good at.

As much as some of us might not have liked Herman on a personal level, he was a big improvement over anything we'd had the 7 years prior, and he doesn't fully get the credit he deserves. If Ingram hadn't fumbled on the goal line against TCU in 2020, Herman likely keeps his job (8-2 season, likely 11-2 if it were a full season). Crazy how much depends on whether or not a 20-year-old drops a ball that one time.
 
Herman got fired much more over his handling of The Eyes of Texas kerfuffle than his W-L record IMO. The pic of Sam standing alone singing The Eyes after the OU game sealed his fate. BMDs were *pissed*.
 
Phil Elliott said:
Herman got fired much more over his handling of The Eyes of Texas kerfuffle than his W-L record IMO. The pic of Sam standing alone singing The Eyes after the OU game sealed his fate. BMDs were *pissed*.
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All true. But the point is the win loss record is about the same. Charlie didn't exactly leave a stable situation either.

It's reasonable to be concerned about Sarkisian's in game decisions that lead to momentum changes that affect our team. Equally concerning is his career record as a head coach if the two most powerful programs in the PAC. Hopefully the recent success continues but the OP put up an interesting point
 
Phil Elliott said:
Herman got fired much more over his handling of The Eyes of Texas kerfuffle than his W-L record IMO. The pic of Sam standing alone singing The Eyes after the OU game sealed his fate. BMDs were *pissed*.
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Add to that the fact that he told the players they didn't have to sing "The Eyes" if they chose not to without his boss's knowledge. AKA insubordination.
 
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